Forgiveness

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I went to confession last week … but within i feel i still have them sins there!
This can certainly happen.

I was away from the Church for many years and in that time I committed some terrible sins that hurt many people. It was easy to justify those actions at the time, but I now know them for what they are.
When I returned to The Church I confessed my sins. Yet I feel somehow that these sins are “still there”. The reason is that I know, I recognize, that my contrition is not perfect. I will still find myself “justifying” this or that action in my mind in spite of the fact that I know I was horribly wrong.
Then there is the fact that I cannot make amends for some of these actions since I do not have contact with those I hurt, or I do not wish to hurt them further by opening up old wounds. Many reasons (or maybe excuses).

The point being that, because our repentance, our contrition, our horror and hatred for what we did is incomplete, that is not perfected, we can still carry around some guilt related to sins that we are truly (but imperfectly) sorry for.
It’s like - If I say something to hurt my Dear Wife who I Love with all may heart, I am immediately sorry and immediately confess my fault to her. She just as quickly forgives me. However this does not prevent me from feeling remorse, feeling guilt, for my sin.

This is not a bad thing, because feeling this “scar” helps us to avoid the sin in the future.

Peace
James
 
Firstly, thank you for all your posts.

Apart from James and Chris, I think the majority of your responses are missing the mark and do not take the real responsibilities that we all have as human beings for our actions. I can’t just rely on the fact (from my perspective and reality!) that a omniprescent deity/being will decided whether a person is contrite and repentant, after all actions always speak louder than words. This is a cop out and I feel it is a failing of your faith.

I’m actually over the fundamental bitterness of what she did, however it annoys me that this person can take a route and not address her real responsibilities, especially when she is completely aware of what her actions did. This is the crux of it. I want to forgive her because in someway I still love her, I also want her to redeem her self. I don’t care whether she feels in the same way about me, its a healing process for both of us, but her disdain and disrespect of me and her responsibility is clear. For me to know she can waltz into a booth, confess, and be supposedly contrite, and then ask for forgiveness, is farcical in the extreme. Just plain wrong! It’s an abberation, and a fault, its an excuse for not addressing your actions.

When you punch a wall, most people think that it does nothing apart from hurt your fist, but the reality is that energy is absorbed and transformed, the wall absorbs it and its then passed on into the earth. If you punch the wall over and over gain it will start to crumble and some point maybe collapse, possibly onto the aggressor.

I agree, and now understand that to be bitter only destroys you…I think it was buddha who said, that anger is like holding a hot coal with the intent of hurting someone, but in the end it is you that actually gets burnt. I think in hindsight, she has been my greatest test, any normal person would have reacted in a far greater and destructive way, she has seen this and manipulated both me and the situation.

Our emotional actions are like this, as Jesus said himself, those who live by the sword, die by the sword. He could see that our actions always return in some way (good or bad). Everything is linked in the universe, and at somepoint what you do will will always have a consequence. However, I believe that addressing your actions, can affect what those consequences will be, and mitigate the effects.

I believe now that through the previous actions of my own, I have received this bad karma. When I really think about it, it’s quite easy to see. All self generated. I want her to see this and correct her ways and acknowledge this for her own benefit. Something she is not going to do when she can take the easy option and through rote pretend to be sorry.

She was very lucky she did what she did to a buddhist, because I feel the the outcome would have been very much worse if done to someone with another faith or belief.
I’m glad that my post was of help to you.

I beleive that you are well on your way to healing. I hope that someday she will be able to be truly healed as well.

It is unfortunate that there are those catholis who seem to look on the sacraments as some sort of “magic” that is divorced from how they actually live their lives. They go to mass and take communion but do not Live thier faith. They go to confession thinking it is the action that is important and not true repentance.
By what you have written it appears this lady may be one of those. For this I am sorry and pray God that she will soon learn of her error and truly repent.

Peace
James
 
Oh my, I read this post and thought, how hurt you sound. I am going to tell you that not only can you forgive, you must. In your spirit you will never heal, and that will eventually take its toll on your heart, your soul, and your health. Jesus looked down at the men who had hung Him on that cross, and said, " Father forgive them, they know not what they do." we are NEVER ever promised that people wont hurt us! HOwever he does promise that in HIM, there is victory, there is forgiveness, and love and mercy, and grace! You must make the step, a faith step, and forgive this lady. I am hear to tell you that when you truly forgive her, you will experience such a healing deep in your soul. YOU must stop replaying the ordeal and you must give it unto the Lord! for its there, you will find the peace you are so desperately looking for! all of us have fallen short of the glory of God! all of us!
Trust God always, He is trustworthy! people will let us down, God never does! ever! GOD BLESS YOU and may you experience the healing hands of Jesus on your heart! reach out to Him by faith, and watch Him work!
 
Explain to me why she can confess to her ‘god’ and ask for his forgivness and get it, but not ask for mine and leave me with bitterness in this limbo? Do have recourse to prevent this? What if I became a catholic, can ask god not to forgive her?

The whole act of forgiveness is stained by allowing this… is it not?
true repentance lies not only in confessing one’s sin, but also by making restitution to the people one has wronged. a good example of this was the tax collector zaccheus, whose sins were forgiven by Jesus, and who demonstrated his true repentance by repaying double the amount of money he had previously cheated of others.

asking for your forgiveness would be a sign of true repentance on the part of your friend.
a lack of repentance on her part would mean that the stain of her sin remains to be purged in the next life until she has “paid the last farthing” (i.e. purgatory).

if you became a catholic, you would be asked to follow Christ’s teaching and example to forgive others, as our sins are forgiven by God.

Christ, the innocent Lamb of God, forgave His executioners (who took brutal and sadistic pleasure in torturing and killing him). Is the whole act of forgiveness stained by what He did?
 
Retribution, I am sorry that that person hurt you. Sometimes I believe that people think they are regilious they can do anything and get away with it. I also was wrong by someone who thought that their religion was the only Christian faith and nobody else had it, even the Catholic’s. They used every control method possible using scripture to verify their stance. After everything was over with, in a sense, I was able to make phone contact with the person who most affected my life. I confronted her over the phone and she basically told me she “HAD” to do those things to me, it was all MY fault. I got my answer. I knew I could NOT clear anything up with her because she was in the WRONG. I basically went from their and decided for my own good I would have to forgive her/them. I read numerous books and numerous forgiveness books. Just when I thought I had forgiven, I read a short article on forgiveness that really made me mad. I found out I had not truly forgiven. Years + later, I believe I am more in the forgiveness stage now. What they did was WRONG and what she did was WRONG. She did NOT “HAVE” to do those things to me. She could of said no, of course they would have put her down and critized her, etc. Just like they did me when I did not do what they wanted me to. I really got RAKED OVER THE COALS, XX BADLY. What has helped me is that I did not want to be mad or be like them. I wanted to show them I was a good, decent, mentally sound person who will move forward and on and enjoy my life. This is what I have done. It was an extremely hard process, and I do mean extremely hard process; however, I made it through, barely! I read a lot of books that were self-help/inspirational, that sounded like it would benefit me and my situation of where I was currently at. This is all easier said than done and takes years to undo. I did not “hold my breath” on this person admitting that she was wrong and did me wrong: I knew from the phone conversation that it was not possible for her to do. So I took the steps myself to forgive myself and move forward in life and show them what a GOOD LIFE I was going to have. Even though my situation is different than yours, the outcome is do NOT let it bring you down with her. If there is nothing you can do, (even reporting her anouymously to the police, if the event calls for it) move on yourself. Life is NOT fair, and unfortunately we all get in a matter of speaking only “punched” and have to rebound from it. There is a scripture in Matthew that says to forgive 70 X 7 times, something like that. God forgives me of my imperfections, so I should also forgive others. God Bless.
 
A selection of readings on the topic of forgiveness here:

payingattentiontothesky.com/2…7/forgiveness/

Quotations from:

The Strangest Way – Fr. Robert Barron; The Concept of Sin – Josef Pieper; Jesus of Nazareth – Joseph Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVI); and Gilead – Marilynne Robinson.

Also, a poem by Reinhold Niebuhr:

Nothing worth doing is completed in our lifetime,
Therefore, we are saved by hope.
Nothing true or beautiful or good makes complete sense in any immediate context of history;
Therefore, we are saved by faith.
Nothing we do, however virtuous, can be accomplished alone.
Therefore, we are saved by love.
No virtuous act is quite a virtuous from the standpoint of our friend or foe as from our own;
Therefore, we are saved by the final form of love which is forgiveness.


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It seems to me that it is often mankind that demonstrates a remarkable capacity to forgive God.
 
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