Forgivness of sin and Jesus' death

[billcu1]

I think we need proof this happens. When Jesus forgave the crippled man, he then said which is easier to do, forgive or to heal? And he healed the man’s legs; as proof that he had the power to forgive.

When Jesus spent his time on earth, he could do nothing greater than love God and love all his neighbours. But how did Jesus love his neighbours who condemned him to death and nailed him to the cross? We know he prayed forgive them Father. This should give us hope that we too can be forgiven.

Jesus did not come just to preach the Gospel, rather Jesus did the Gospels.

I guess what I am trying to ask is “Why did he have to die?” This obviously was part of his work. it is evidently some kind of rule and his death is somehow involved with forgiveness of sin. I was just pointing out he forgave sin before death.

There’s going to be people to say, “Don’t worry about it, that’s just the way it is.” Well obviously. IDK how much a lay person can tell me.

God Bless

 

[PJM]

They say Jesus died for sin. And to forgive our sin. What exactly is meant by that. Jesus was forgiving sin before his death. It wasn’t an ability he gained after resurrection. So why is his death “dying for sin” ?

It deals with an incomplete; full and correct understanding of the Biblical terms "Redemption: & “Salvation”

MANY non-Catholic-Christians have been taught that these terms have the same and interchangeable meanings. THEY DON"T

Biblically “Redemption” means that by Christ Life, Passion and Death, that Heaven has been made POSSIBLE again [conditionally], after it had been LOCKED OUT as one of the consequences of Original Sin. AND it applies to ALL of humanity, past, present and future.

“Salvation” is along the lines of the Parable of the NARROW GATE: Mt 7:11-15
[11] If you then being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children: how much more will your Father who is in heaven, give good things to them that ask him? [12] All things therefore whatsoever you would that men should do to you, do you also to them. For this is the law and the prophets. [13] Enter ye in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat. [14] How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it! [15] Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves"

Salvation is to me MERITED [TESTED] by doing everything GODS WAY, and not dictating or presuming some right to tell GOD how He Must and WILL save you, me, and all of us. …This begins with a Right [meaning CATHOLIC] understanding of ALL the Bible actually teaches. Reformation changes came some 1,500 YEARS+ AFTER God’s Truths were already known, taught, believed and practiced AND STILL ARE TO THIS DAY… Not the result of very human innovation. in and though the multiplicity of other Christian churches and faith beliefs

In brief:
The answer to your questions is that GODS WAY was found to be wanting and reinvented to accommodate personal beliefs.

GBY
Partick

 

[billcu1]

Please refer to the Preternatural Gifts.

Ok I seem them as infused knowledge, absence of concupiscence (no sure what that means) and immortality. Which is easier than some think.

 

[Vico]

Ok I seem them as infused knowledge, absence of concupiscence (no sure what that means) and immortality. Which is easier than some think. …

The gift of integrity is “absence of concupiscence” which is completely subordinating man’s lower passions to his reason.

 

[Eric_Hyom]

I guess what I am trying to ask is “Why did he have to die?” This obviously was part of his work. it is evidently some kind of rule and his death is somehow involved with forgiveness of sin. I was just pointing out he forgave sin before death.

God Bless

It would be easy for Jesus to preach love and forgive your enemies. If Jesus had no enemies to forgive, then his words might seem shallow.

Jesus has set us an extreme example as to how we should also be prepared to forgive.

 

[ajcstr]

I guess what I am trying to ask is “Why did he have to die?” This obviously was part of his work. it is evidently some kind of rule and his death is somehow involved with forgiveness of sin. I was just pointing out he forgave sin before death.

Best explanation I have ever heard on this:

Think of Jesus standing next to Barabbas. Jesus was sinless and innocent. Barabbas was a guilty sinner. The Jews demanded “Release Barabbas”. We are Barabbas, we were released from sin as Barabbas was released from death. Even the name Barabbas means “son of the father”. So the obedient son suffers death and releases the son who deserved it.

 

[billcu1]

I see. I have never thought of that. I’m not aware of an explanation by the church though. Unless this is one.