Forty days of lent revisited

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Try as I might, I simply cannot find any official documents that can give me the “exact” calculation for the forty days of Lent (when does it begin and when does it end). Several Catholic sites and sources differ one to another… are there any official documents or teachings from Rome that would give me this answer? I am still trying to figure this out and all of the conflicting answers are confusing me. Thansk for your help.
 
From what I have been told…

for the Latin Church Lent starts Ash Wednesday and ends Holy Saturday. Not counting Sundays that gives 40 days.

for the Byzantine Churches Lent starts the Monday before the Latin Ash Wednesday and ends Holy Thursday. Not counting Sundays that gives 40 days.
 
Hey ByzCath,

Is your lenten fasting different from us Latins? I though I heard somewhere that the Eastern rites it was harder.😃

Mscorcione,

I understand why you are confused. My sources say that Lent ends late in the day on Holy Thursday (it doesn’t include the mass that evening), so you can’t get the 40 days. It used to be in the Latin rite that it was to Holy Sat, but that has changed, to the best of my knowledge.

Here is James Akin on the subject.
 
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ByzCath:
From what I have been told…

for the Latin Church Lent starts Ash Wednesday and ends Holy Saturday. Not counting Sundays that gives 40 days.

for the Byzantine Churches Lent starts the Monday before the Latin Ash Wednesday and ends Holy Thursday. Not counting Sundays that gives 40 days.
I agree with your assessment in the Latin Church at one time. However, we created a new season called Triduum which begins on Thursday evening, and runs through Easter Sunday. No longer is Lent 40 days, and Easter Sunday is no longer part of the Easter Season.

I have a Byzantine friend who believes it begins on Clean Monday (as you said) but ends on the Saturday before Holy Week (40 days). And then the ‘season of Holy Week’ begins with Palm Sunday…and he counts the Sundays.

In ancient times, some diocese counted neither the Sunday nor the Saturday (sunday beginning at sundown) and they had a lent of 8 weeks.
 
Some say Lent goes from Ash Wednesday to Palm Sunday, but then it lasts only 38 days. Others say that it goes from Ash Wednesday to Holy Thursday, without Sundays, but then it also lasts 38 days.
Perhaps they say Lent lasts 40 days for symbolic reasons (that number has a special meaning in the Bible, it refers to a special period of waiting and penance).
What baffles me is why do they say Sundays are not included in Lent? They are called ‘First Sunday of Lent’, ‘Second Sunday of Lent’, etc. , the ornaments are purple and Gloria and Halleluja are not sung. Sundays are obviously included in Lent.
Any help?
 
i found this article about lent i hope it helpIn determining this period of forty days the example of Moses, Elias, and Christ must have exercised a predominant influence, but it is also possible that the fact was borne in mind that Christ lay forty hours in the tomb. On the other hand just as Pentecost (the fifty days) was a period during which Christians were joyous and prayed standing, though they were not always engaged in such prayer, so the Quadragesima (the forty days) was originally a period marked by fasting, but not necessarily a period in which the faithful fasted every day. Still, this principle was differently understood in different localities, and great divergences of practice were the result. In Rome, in the fifth century, Lent lasted six weeks, but according to the historian Socrates there were only three weeks of actual fasting, exclusive even then of the Saturday and Sunday and if Duchesne’s view may be trusted, these weeks were not continuous, but were the first, the fourth, and sixth of the series, being connected with the ordinations (Christian Worship, 243). Possibly, however, these three weeks had to do with the “scrutinies” preparatory to Baptism, for by some authorities (e.g., A.J. Maclean in his “Recent Discoveries”) the duty of fasting along with the candidate for baptism is put forward as the chief influence at work in the development of the forty days. But throughout the Orient generally, with some few exceptions, the same arrangement prevailed as St. Athanasius’s “Festal Letters” show us to have obtained in Alexandria, namely, the six weeks of Lent were only preparatory to a fast of exceptional severity maintained during Holy Week. This is enjoined by the “Apostolic Constitutions” (V, xiii), and presupposed by St. Chrysostom (Hom. xxx in Gen., I). But the number forty, having once established itself, produced other modifications. It seemed to many necessary that there should not only be fasting during the forty days but forty actual fasting days. Thus we find Ætheria in her “Peregrinatio” speaking of a Lent of eight weeks in all observed at Jerusalem, which, remembering that both the Saturday and Sunday of ordinary weeks were exempt, gives five times eight, i.e., forty days for fasting🙂
 
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