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Perhaps we can charitably express our opinion of this…
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Perhaps we can charitably express our opinion of this…
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1Lord1Faith
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“I can’t say I have an opinion on it because…uhh, I have a life!”
I guess that’s more charitable than, “Get a life!”.
I guess that’s more charitable than, “Get a life!”.
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Beryllos
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A lot of good counsel there. Thanks.
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jack63
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For the most part I genuinely liked what Father Mike had to say here; however, …about whether or not I have a life…
Recently I heard a homily at the church I regularly attend about how a former pastor their had been charged with sex abuse from years ago… in my own community! (I won’t say where, sorry). Therefore, part of my life is to pay attention and have an opinion to what the church is doing. I need to understand this stuff on some level.
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Haven’t watched the video, though I do like a lot of what Fr Schmitz posts in his videos - but my own priests’ comment regarding people expressing their opinion online was along the lines of that if people refrained from expressing their opinion more often, there’d be greater peace. And I’d have to agree when reading comments on twitter, facebook, blogs, MSM opinion pieces. It can get downright nasty.
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Dlee
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His comments are pretty much common sense - whenever I hear “something,” I know I don’t know the whole story. My opinion is just that. I do like his question about "why am I commenting - is it to help, hurt, win (paraphrased.)
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Just recently viewed it and found it right on target. A perfect example of a person who had high intelligence, great holiness, amazing virtues and could put any theologian to total silence was the virgin Mary. She is an example for all regarding when to speak, especially for woman. She is our mother, our sister and our teacher. She says to all laity and all at the wedding of Cana, “Do whatever he (Jesus) tells you”.
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Knew nothing on this priest’s background, but a few years ago I saw a YouTube about priestly vocations and following Jesus (which he was in along with another seminarian.)
Grateful these two men said yes to God.
[ PFP]. = praying for priest
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Yes he’s right, it is often the case that what you dont know the whole story, especially online but even in person. Also there is the situation (he mentioned it briefly) that you bring your own issues to the table (vices if we are honest as well as wounds) and what you ‘hear’ is not always what is said or intended, so you can go off on one getting offended or upset when really nothing like what you think was meant. I think it’s a good idea to think before you post especially if something upsets you. Fr Ripperger says if there’s a strong emotion evoked like anger or frustration then usually it’s the result of a vice being present in you. I know people have their issues with him, but that is pretty sound advice and certainly worth considering before responding in person or online.
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Frankie65
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Thanks bluebright I enjoyed reading your post. I am a fan of Fr Ripperger , he’s an exorcist
I was on Twitter a couple of evenings ago reading replies to some ahem Catholic politician think Canadian who was talking about abortions should be available for trans women, then all the ridicule he got from the lgbt people saying it should be trans men, he agreed and apologised, they all liked him even more after that, it was all, hooray what a great guy
I don’t know. I felt some kind of apoplectic fury reading the comments. I guess I’ve got issues
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While I liked most of the video, I did struggle quite a lot with the following thing that Fr. Mike said…
@7:40 - Jesus never said, “if you go to the church and people still don’t listen, go air your dirty laundry online”
Fr. Mike referenced Matthew 18:15-17. It is below:
It seems to me that actually this scripture allows for a public rebuke as a last resort if going to the church fails…“let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector”
@7:40 - Jesus never said, “if you go to the church and people still don’t listen, go air your dirty laundry online”
Fr. Mike referenced Matthew 18:15-17. It is below:
It seems to me that actually this scripture allows for a public rebuke as a last resort if going to the church fails…“let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector”
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yankeesouth
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Which Church assembly?
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jack63
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I certainly agree with this.
However, scripture outlines a well thought out process that could eventually lead to removing somebody from your community. Removing somebody from your community is likely a very public action and statement.
However, scripture outlines a well thought out process that could eventually lead to removing somebody from your community. Removing somebody from your community is likely a very public action and statement.
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jack63
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Me too! 
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Lol good one.
I take it as the whole Catholic Church. Just as when we sin, we don’t just sin against ourselves but the whole Church. So, for example, if someone in a particular parish outwardly protests in that parish against Jesus’ teaching of a male only priesthood, they are protesting against the whole Church.
I take it as the whole Catholic Church. Just as when we sin, we don’t just sin against ourselves but the whole Church. So, for example, if someone in a particular parish outwardly protests in that parish against Jesus’ teaching of a male only priesthood, they are protesting against the whole Church.
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Matthew 18:15-17
I understand that as meaning to leave the person be as you’ve tried fraternal correction (between you and him alone), then taking one or two others along - to me would be either people this person would listen to and heed what was said/the fraternal correction.
And “…finally if he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church” - would be perhaps the parish priest or depending on the matter, Bishop.
Finally where it says - “if he refuses to listen even to the church…as a Gentile and a tax collector.” Well tax collectors were shunned by that society and Gentiles were ‘others’ - so in other words, leave them be/to their own devices. Sort of similar to shaking the dust from your sandals…
Efforts had been tried to conform the person, ‘save’ them, etc., and all attempts failed as the person was stubborn and set in their sinful ways.
Just my thoughts…
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jack63
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No doubt there would never be an effort to “destroy” a person. If it all possible there would be some kind of door left open for this person to come back into the fold. No doubt online remarks get nasty, unproductive, and people stop listening to each other. Fr. Mike has a point here for sure.
However “leaving somebody to their own devices” and “shunning somebody” are very different things. Shunning somebody is a public rebuke that would pull resources away from an individual that would normally be available to a member of a community.
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jack63
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This was a recent article I read last night that better describes my “opinion”. I would really argue that outsiders revealing this scandal is really the correct scriptural actions described by Matthew 18:15-17. If the church can’t fix a problem, go public and pull societal resources as you would with a tax collector.
www.theatlantic.com
The Spotlight Effect: This Church Scandal Was Revealed by Outsiders
The Vatican’s conference on child sexual abuse would never be happening, and the dark secret of clerical sexual abuse and cover-up might never have come to light, if not for outsiders to the hierarchy.
www.theatlantic.com
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Of course, I agree completely. The door to the confessional is “always” open - as is the Church door.
Yes, he does. And it corresponds to what my own priest told me concerning expressing opinions. I would also add that I think it applies in RL situations - sometimes it is better to bite ones tongue in order to keep the peace/be respectful. I guess there is the old saying too - “If you can’t say something nice, don’t say anything at all”.
Which was done in that time - they were shunned in that society as were others.
But wrt the bible passage Matthew 10:14 “Whoever will not receive you or listen to your words—go outside that house or town and shake the dust from your feet.” does indicate a complete disassociation from such unbelievers, that was back then.
Perhaps that was a poor choice to use as an additional example. I was not implying people should be shunned today. I was simply trying to show that all attempts had failed, no more could be done to help the person come to the right understanding and change their ways. These efforts failed. So on the temporal side of things there is no more which can be done, until the person takes the initiative and steps to correct themselves - then the situation has turned and the Church welcomes the person back with open arms. In the meantime “we” pray, fast and have Masses offered for their conversion.
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Much Better!
The discussion of the Letter of James was very interesting and helpful. I read it. From James 3:5-6
The discussion of the Letter of James was very interesting and helpful. I read it. From James 3:5-6
…He is right about Minnesotans…
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