Francis upcoming (03.10.2020) encyclical Fratelli Tutti/All Brothers. Will you vote for Francis?

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Francis will sign His third Encyclical Fratelli Tutti/All Brothers on 3rd October this year.

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/...cis-to-sign-new-encyclical-on-oct-3-in-a.html

Little is known about it - but it will be about “fraternity and social friendship”.

My questions are:
  • are you going to read it?
  • will the selection of its themes and content will have some impact on your voting decision?
  • what do you think about the general approach of Pope Francis - his focus on integral human development, on social justice, on common good, on fraternity and charity, on integral ecology (protection of nature and also - of human beings - integral part of any ecological movement by the Church teaching)? It is so wide coverage of themes, so complex thinking. Especially those who are single of two-issue voters - how do you feel about Pope Francis calling? Is it OK to focus on just single issue when Pope in His encyclicals gives as advises on so many issues?
Can you associate words and deeds of “fraternity and social friendship” with Republican elite and power people and Wall Street?

Addition: this is not another Republican vs Democrats thread. This is single/two issue voting vs holistic voting thread. I mentioned not so nice things about Republicans, but I did it to powerfully illustrate the necessity for complex, systemic, holistic discernment (e.g. if there are such not so nice things then it may be warning that such discernment is necessary) and not to go into party bashing. I just want to be sure that proper discernment is being made. And the eventual content and themes of the upcoming encyclical can point to the necessity of such discernment.

Personlly I am social-liberal, so I have very many economic values common with the Republican party. But social-liberalism means to giver everyone the widest opportunities for education and climbing the prosperity ladder, it is about ladders to the honest market, honest playing field.
 
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arvo said:
will the selection of its themes and content will have some impact on your voting decision?
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My voting decision on what? If you’re referring to voting for Pope Francis, I have no idea what you’re talking about. Do you mean the American Presidential election?
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Can you associate words and deeds of “fraternity and social friendship” with Republican elite and power people and Wall Street?
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Oh. I see now. Another “evil Republican” thread. His encyclical hasn’t even been published yet and it’s already being used for fodder for why “____ party” is evil.

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Just 2 points:
  • there was thread “Voting for Jesus”. So - it is quite logical to have thread “Voting for Pope Francis”.
  • I just wanted to express how happy I am that I am on the one side together with the Pope of The Roman Catholic Church. I am so happy about it that I have no further interest to go into discussions.
 
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Can you associate words and deeds of “fraternity and social friendship” with Republican elite and power people and Wall Street?
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You know, I’m no fan of the current Republican party. But seriously, how about actually reading the encyclical before trying to use it to bash people? :roll_eyes:
 
I will be reading the new encyclical as soon as I can, that’s for certain. Since I don’t know exactly what’s in it, I can’t say if it will affect my voting decisions one way or the other in the upcoming US November election.

I will say that I appreciate our Holy Father Pope Francis very much, and I pray for his wellbeing every day. I also pray daily that we, the Church, will recieve and accept his teachings as he intends us to, in accord with God’s will.

Looking forward to the new encyclical.
 
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Pope Francis in Laudato Si said:
  1. The specialization which belongs to technology makes it difficult to see the larger picture. The fragmentation of knowledge proves helpful for concrete applications, and yet it often leads to a loss of appreciation for the whole, for the relationships between things, and for the broader horizon, which then becomes irrelevant. This very fact makes it hard to find adequate ways of solving the more complex problems of today’s world, particularly those regarding the environment and the poor; these problems cannot be dealt with from a single perspective or from a single set of interests. A science which would offer solutions to the great issues would necessarily have to take into account the data generated by other fields of knowledge, including philosophy and social ethics; but this is a difficult habit to acquire today. Nor are there genuine ethical horizons to which one can appeal. Life gradually becomes a surrender to situations conditioned by technology, itself viewed as the principal key to the meaning of existence. In the concrete situation confronting us, there are a number of symptoms which point to what is wrong, such as environmental degradation, anxiety, a loss of the purpose of life and of community living. Once more we see that “realities are more important than ideas”.
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I think that is it his response to single/two issue voters.
 
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there was thread “Voting for Jesus”. So - it is quite logical to have thread “Voting for Pope Francis”.
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It doesn’t follow. The “Voting for Jesus” thread was originally about how one makes a decision informed on Catholic teaching. And it, like the other 6 political threads open, devolved into party bashing. Your thread from the very beginning insinuates that voting for the Republican party is voting against Pope Francis and his encyclical, the contents of which have yet to be published. No, I believe this is a non sequitur instead of a logical follow up.
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I just wanted to express how happy I am that I am on the one side together with the Pope of The Roman Catholic Church. I am so happy about it that I have no further interest to go into discussions.
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Uh huh. But not those voting Republican evidently. Again, the implication that they’re voting against Pope Francis, and thus, the Church.
 
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So we have to wait till October 3? No preview or early read?
 
I wonder if the English title will remain All Brothers, or if they’ll try for something that sounds more inclusive to modern ears (I get that brothers in this sense means humankind, but others might try to make another divisive issue out of it).
 
arvo said:
My questions are:
  • are you going to read it?
  • will the selection of its themes and content will have some impact on your voting decision?
  • what do you think about the general approach of Pope Francis - his focus on integral human development, on social justice, on common good, on fraternity and charity, on integral ecology (protection of nature and also - of human beings - integral part of any ecological movement by the Church teaching)? It is so wide coverage of themes, so complex thinking. Especially those who are single of two-issue voters - how do you feel about Pope Francis calling? Is it OK to focus on just single issue when Pope in His encyclicals gives as advises on so many issues?
Can you associate words and deeds of “fraternity and social friendship” with Republican elite and power people and Wall Street?

Addition: this is not another Republican vs Democrats thread. This is single/two issue voting vs holistic voting thread. I mentioned not so nice things about Republicans, but I did it to powerfully illustrate the necessity for complex, systemic, holistic discernment (e.g. if there are such not so nice things then it may be warning that such discernment is necessary) and not to go into party bashing. I just want to be sure that proper discernment is being made. And the eventual content and themes of the upcoming encyclical can point to the necessity of such discernment.

Personlly I am social-liberal, so I have very many economic values common with the Republican party. But social-liberalism means to giver everyone the widest opportunities for education and climbing the prosperity ladder, it is about ladders to the honest market, honest playing field.
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*Yes no doubt I will read it.
  • Will I vote for the Pope? I am not a Cardinal so the answer is no.
*I really fail to see how Pope Francis would issue an encyclical that is specifically a cliff notes ‘how to vote’ guide.

*No I cannot associate words and deeds of fraternity and social friendship with the political issues of one particular country.
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climbing the prosperity ladder, it is about ladders to the honest market, honest playing field.
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God is not about prosperity.

I dont really care if it is ’ all brothers ’ or ’ all brothers and sisters’
 
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I’m reading that the theme of the new encyclical will be solidarity and human fraternity, encouraging us all to come together in spite of our differences, since there is truly more that unites us as humans than divides us. But sadly too many of us prefer to focus on the things that do divide us.
 
It’s a quote from St. Francis.

Guardiamo, fratelli tutti, il buon pastore che per salvare le sue pecore sostenne la passione dela croce" .

“Let’s look towards, brothers all, the good shepherd who to save his sheep suffered the passion on the cross.”
 
Pope Francis also said this…
Since everything is interrelated, concern for the protection of nature is also incompatible with the justification of abortion. How can we genuinely teach the importance of concern for other vulnerable beings, however troublesome or inconvenient they may be, if we fail to protect a human embryo, even when its presence is uncomfortable and creates difficulties? If personal and social sensitivity towards the acceptance of the new life is lost, then other forms of acceptance that are valuable for society also wither away.
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If you get it wrong at the beginning of life, can’t trust you with anything else.
“Any politics of human dignity must seriously address issues of racism, poverty, hunger, employment, education, housing and health care. … But being ‘right’ in such matters can never excuse a wrong choice regarding direct attacks on innocent human life.”

“Indeed, the failure to protect and defend life in its most vulnerable stages renders suspect any claims to the ‘rightness’ of positions in other matters affecting the poorest and least powerful of the human community” (“Living the Gospel of Life,” 22).
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arvo said:
Can you associate words and deeds of “fraternity and social friendship” with Republican elite
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Why do you raise this question only in reference to the Republicans? Ask yourself about the Democratic elites? The white DC and west coast elites don’t care a whit about the rest of the country.
 
I don’t understand - is Pope Francis timing the publication just to influence the American election? That seems…kinda weird.
 
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I don’t understand - is Pope Francis timing the publication just to influence the American election? That seems…kinda weird.
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That may very well be a secondary objective but I think the main driving factor is that Pope Francis has been cooped up in the Vatican since the pandemic started and it has rendered him rather impotent in spreading his message and enacting his agenda due to his inability to travel. Releasing an encyclical is one way for him to get some of the spotlight back and spread his views without traveling and all of the press coverage that goes along with it.
 
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