Freaked out over the movie The Magdalene Sisters

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My husband and I watched the movie The Magdalene Sisters last night. It was about the terrible treatment and imprisonmnet of “wayward” women in Ireland in the 1960’s by the Catholic Church. It was troubling and very graphic and I wouldn’t reccomend it. My question: Did that sort of abuse - both physical & sexual really take place at the hands of an entire group of religious people - Nuns & Priests? On the outside they looked so holy - rosaries, comminion, prayers but on the inside they were downright evil. So after we watched the movie my husband (who does not share my desire to convert) said, “Wow… and THAT’S the church you think is THE TRUE CHURCH? That’s the church you want for our children?” After watching that movie I honestly feel ill.
 
So after we watched the movie my husband (who does not share my desire to convert) said, “Wow… and THAT’S the church you think is THE TRUE CHURCH? That’s the church you want for our children?”
Haven’t seen the movie myself and I’m not familiar with it, but does your husband believe everything he sees in the movies? Unless you’re watching something from the 50’s or earlier, you really won’t find a positive image of the Catholic Church in any movie.
 
From William Donohue’s Catholic League site:

“It was not coincidental that Peter Mullan and the Weinstein brothers should join forces by delivering ‘The Magdalene Sisters.’ It was destined to happen. Mullan has admitted that his movie ‘encapsulates everything that is bad about the Catholic Church’; so much so that he compares the Church to the murderous Taliban. His honesty is appreciated. Less candid are the Weinstein brothers: they still maintain they are not anti-Catholic even though they have given Catholics such gems as ‘Priest,’ ‘Butcher Boy,’ ‘Dogma’ and ‘40 Days and 40 Nights.’ Now they have given Catholics their new prize, ‘The Magdalene Sisters.’

“If someone were to do a movie called ‘The Weinstein Brothers,’ one that focused on their legacy of anti-Catholicism, and sold it as being representative of how Hollywood views Catholics, it would be dishonest. This is exactly what Mullan and the Weinsteins have done in ‘The Magdalene Sisters.’ They have focused on cruel nuns, who surely were atypical, and presented them as being prototypical. That is the gravamen of the Catholic League’s complaint. This is a game that can be played with any demographic group and with any institution. Just gather all the dirty laundry, pack it tightly, and present it as if it were reality.

“When the film was first released, two members of the board of directors of the Venice Film Festival called it anti-Catholic propaganda. They were right.”
 
Carol, I am sorry the movie was so upsetting, although it sounds like it was rightly so. I haven’t seen it, but had heard of it and I do think it is based on a true story, but I’m not sure. We do know that some Catcholic individuals have done terrible things.

It is upsetting, especially when you love the faith so much. But, I would submit that throughout history, numerous individuals have done terrible things, but that they don’t represent the entire group when they do them. Examples I can think of are that Hitler was evil, but he doesn’t represent Germans as a whole. Slavery was terrible, but that doesn’t mean America is terrible just because some people did some bad things at one point in our history.

The Church is not immune to people, of their own free will, doing despicable things. Yes, it is scandalous and sad, but as long as there is free will, there will probably always be evil acts that we cannot comprehend.

Hopefully this will not derail your love of the faith.

God Bless,
Nicole
 
The Magdaline Sisters is a load of hooey. The guy who made it absolutely hates the Catholic Church and put every horrible stereotype he could in the film. You should read Steven Greydenus’ review of it on www.decentfilms.com
 
carol marie:
My husband and I watched the movie The Magdalene Sisters last night. It was about the terrible treatment and imprisonmnet of “wayward” women in Ireland in the 1960’s by the Catholic Church. It was troubling and very graphic and I wouldn’t reccomend it. My question: Did that sort of abuse - both physical & sexual really take place at the hands of an entire group of religious people - Nuns & Priests? On the outside they looked so holy - rosaries, comminion, prayers but on the inside they were downright evil. So after we watched the movie my husband (who does not share my desire to convert) said, “Wow… and THAT’S the church you think is THE TRUE CHURCH? That’s the church you want for our children?” After watching that movie I honestly feel ill.
This may surprise to some but Catholics sin. As far as the movie goes check out this site:
decentfilms.com/commentary/magdalenesisters.html
This is a fictional movie based on the accounts of individuals over more than 100 years. Taken all the most horrible things that happened in those 100 years and made it seem as though it was routine leaving out all the good that these institutions have done.
 
I’ve seen the movie. There were parts I liked, parts I didn’t.

I saw it more as packaged as a condemnation of a part of Irish society. It was usually the girls own families who sent them to the laundries, often for imagined infractions of moral standards or infractions made by others that involved the girls.

Yes, the movie paints a cariacatured picture of the nuns and priests. There was one scene that I found particularly disgusting.

But, it also brings to light true sufferings that many young women had to endure.

It’s not a movie that I would recommend to many people, nor would I condemn the movie as a whole.
 
The flick was one sided…it didnt show any good nuns…but it also only focused on a few bad ones. I came away more angered at the simpleton behaviors of the Irish parents and how they would toss away their kids to save face. I also thought the documentary “Sex in a cold climate” was very one sided against the church…one of the most boring docus I have ever seen. I’d rate Magdalene Sisters a 6/10
 
Carol, just one note: You or your husband wouldn’t really judge ANY group by its portrayal in a movie or TV program, would you?

How could any one movie (even, using as an example of “good”, “The Passion of the Christ”) possibly convey EVERYTHING about any subject? Especially one so truly universal as the Catholic church? We can’t even convey EVERYTHING KNOWN about an individual MOLECULE in ONE movie or program, far less the church established by Jesus Christ Himself nearly 2000 years ago.

If I judged American teenagers of 2004 by movies and TV programs, the kids would ALL be spoiled, shallow, vacant, immoral, know-it-alls who lived only to have sex, look good, and get things. But is that a TRUE picture of American teens of 2004? Of course not. And we can look right around us because we are right here in the year 2004. You’d think that with plenty of examples of teens who DISPROVE those stereotypes that Hollywood etc. would be able to stop making those stereotypes. . .but they don’t. Lots of people either believe those stereotype, or they can make the distinction between the FANTASY of movie and TV and the reality of ACTUAL TEENS. They like the fantasy, and they figure, “I know teens REALLY aren’t like that, but so does everybody else.” Hmmm, but if these movies are shown 10, 20, 30 years from now to teens THEN, will THEY know the difference? How many kids today think that the 1950s were ALL “Leave it to Beaver” and “Happy Days”, and the 70s was “That 70s Show”, and that the CHARACTERS on the TV show what REALLY happened then? Plenty. Picture World War II. You probably weren’t alive then, but there are still plenty of people who were. Even of those people who actually LIVED through WW2, there is nowhere near a consensus of what people were like then. Every person’s experiences was different. Somebody from that time may try to talk to people today who believe the 40s were all John Wayne pictures, and guess what? Even with an eyewitness from that time, most people are STILL going to think the 40s was all John Wayne pictures, and that the FANTASY then was the REALITY then.

Now, picture the Civil War. There isn’t ANYBODY alive today who experienced it. All we have (since this is pre TV, radio, telephone etc.) are letters, the written word, from a select number of people (obviously many people never wrote about their experience, were illiterate, or wrote and the letters have disappeared or destroyed). So we have even LESS knowledge of what actually went on. And we don’t have any face-to-face experience of our own to know whether the letter we read represents what actually happened to that person, or whether that person’s views were distorted, knowingly or unconsciously, etc. Different historians present different points of view. A lot of times people will espouse a certain POV because the historian is engaging, writes a “good” story, reinforces “tradition” or, even more popular today, DEBUNKS tradition!

Have, or had, individual priests and nuns acted cruelly at certain times to certain people? Of course. Being a priest and nun makes you a religious but it sure as heck doesn’t make you perfect. If you’re looking for the Catholic church because you think everybody in it is going to be “more saintly” than anybody else, then you aren’t looking for Jesus, you’re looking for a country club. He never promised his church members would be infallible. Plenty of Catholics sin. The key is, look at the Catholic catechism. This is what we are SUPPOSED to be doing. If you think it’s the word of God you’ll be following, trying your best to follow, then it won’t matter to you (except as a matter for prayer and sorrow for your fellow man) if Catholic A is a bad priest or Catholic Q a sinner in the year 1537, in January. IMO.
 
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Nicole:
I would submit that throughout history, numerous individuals have done terrible things, but that they don’t represent the entire group when they do them. Examples I can think of are that Hitler was evil, but he doesn’t represent Germans as a whole. Slavery was terrible, but that doesn’t mean America is terrible just because some people did some bad things at one point in our history.

The Church is not immune to people, of their own free will, doing despicable things. Yes, it is scandalous and sad, but as long as there is free will, there will probably always be evil acts that we cannot comprehend.

Hopefully this will not derail your love of the faith.

God Bless,
Nicole
Yes–Nicole you are so right!!!It’s our free will–human nature that makes some people evil. Don’t throw out the baby with the bath water is the key! Discuss this with your hubby Carol and hopefully he’ll understand! I wonder are their any movies that depict the Catholic Faith as being good and true? I’d like to know! As would you I’m certain!

God Bless~~~
 
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Poisson:
This is a fictional movie based on the accounts of individuals over more than 100 years. Taken all the most horrible things that happened in those 100 years and made it seem as though it was routine leaving out all the good that these institutions have done.
You are correct. Each incident portrayed in the movie was factual, but did not all occur in the same convent over a short period of time.

The film is anti-Catholic to be sure, but is not a lie. The horror of it is that those things did occur even if it was quite infrequently.
 
Good points Tantum ergo. I guess on a more basic level I’m questioning when I’m going to stop being gripped with fear that I’m making a major mistake by even considering the Catholic faith every time I hear something terrible about the church. That is my major struggle. I’ll be coasting along thinking this makes so much sense… why doesn’t everyone see the truth to this faith - can’t wait for RCIA classes and then I’ll read yet another story in the paper about perverted priests, or a Christian friend will call and say, “If you are serious about the Catholic Church you MUST read this information I’ve researched about how the faith was polluted with Constintine” or I’ll watch that awful movie and all of a sudden it’s like a slap in the face and I’m thinking What am I nuts? Of course I can’t be Catholic! It’s just Wrong Wrong Wrong and everybody (except Catholics) knows that! So I’m going back & forth and all the while I’m miserable and I keep wondering why I’m doing this to myself. Are there any converts out there who managed making the switch without going crazy?
 
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Southernrich:
You are correct. Each incident portrayed in the movie was factual, but did not all occur in the same convent over a short period of time.

The film is anti-Catholic to be sure, but is not a lie. The horror of it is that those things did occur even if it was quite infrequently.
I trust that if a conservative with Michael Moore’s lack of ethics were to make a movie of 9/11, there are plenty of soundbites and videos and photographs that could make Clinton look like a bumbling fool responsible for the tragedy.

Each individual act would be true, but taken together in the order presented by the moral-free director would paint a lie.

So it is with this movie. To defend the movie by claiming each individual act “was factual” is to support an outright lie as those acts are presented.

If you *are * Catholic as you have stated, why are you so eager to slam the Church in nearly every post you make?
 
carol marie:
Good points Tantum ergo. I guess on a more basic level I’m questioning when I’m going to stop being gripped with fear that I’m making a major mistake by even considering the Catholic faith every time I hear something terrible about the church. That is my major struggle. I’ll be coasting along thinking this makes so much sense… why doesn’t everyone see the truth to this faith - can’t wait for RCIA classes and then I’ll read yet another story in the paper about perverted priests, or a Christian friend will call and say, “If you are serious about the Catholic Church you MUST read this information I’ve researched about how the faith was polluted with Constintine” or I’ll watch that awful movie and all of a sudden it’s like a slap in the face and I’m thinking What am I nuts? Of course I can’t be Catholic! It’s just Wrong Wrong Wrong and everybody (except Catholics) knows that! So I’m going back & forth and all the while I’m miserable and I keep wondering why I’m doing this to myself. Are there any converts out there who managed making the switch without going crazy?
That’s the way Satan works. He twists, confounds, distorts, and lies. He figures out what makes you nervous and then he makes sure you see it or hear it. He did it to them, and then he uses their fall to influence you. The closer you get to the truth, the more effort he puts into it.

I suggest reading C. S. Lewis’ The Screwtape Letters. IT will give you great insight into what’s happening in your life right now.

Trust your heart. De debbil can get to your mind, but he can’t get in your heart unless you invite him hin.
 
Carol Marie:

There was a thread here awhile back with peoples favorite Catholic themed movies, maybe you ought to check some of them out for a bit of balance. Just a thought.
 
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Southernrich:
You are correct. Each incident portrayed in the movie was factual, but did not all occur in the same convent over a short period of time.

The film is anti-Catholic to be sure, but is not a lie. The horror of it is that those things did occur even if it was quite infrequently.
Unfortunately it is a black chapter in the Church’s history. It did actually happen and it went on until the early 90’s. My priest is from Dublin. After I saw this movie, I talked with him about it and he told me he remembers as a small boy, his mother taking in some the girls (women actually) after they were able to leave the convent, but the women had no where to go. Some places were worse than others, and not everyone was a prisioner in the convent. But it was overall pretty bad.
 
The Barrister:
That’s the way Satan works. He twists, confounds, distorts, and lies. He figures out what makes you nervous and then he makes sure you see it or hear it. He did it to them, and then he uses their fall to influence you. The closer you get to the truth, the more effort he puts into it.

I suggest reading C. S. Lewis’ The Screwtape Letters. IT will give you great insight into what’s happening in your life right now.

Trust your heart. De debbil can get to your mind, but he can’t get in your heart unless you invite him hin.
I agree 👍

In two thousand years, the teachings of the Church are untouched. It is Christ that we follow.
 
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