free choice

[christmary4ever]

someone told me that abortion is unfortunate but because we have a free will women
have the right to choose or they will be the victim of moral dictatorship. So how do we respond
aside from prayer/

 

[JohnDamian]

Do we have the free choice to kill pro-choice people?

Without any rules or justice there can be no freedom; only anarchy and chaos. All human beings have a right to life; this right should be reflected in the law – it is not a “moral dictatorship” to encourage recognition of our rights to life.

 

[broconsul]

Women seeking abortions in a nation with laws prohibiting abortion are just as much victims of moral dictatorship as convicted criminals are.

Just remember the ultimate question regarding abortion: What is the unborn?

Getting the correct answer to that question will preempt any red herrings.

 

[lobster]

someone told me that abortion is unfortunate but because we have a free will women
have the right to choose or they will be the victim of moral dictatorship. So how do we respond
aside from prayer/

Right to choose only goes so far until it affects the life of someone else unable to choose.

 

[markomalley]

someone told me that abortion is unfortunate but because we have a free will women
have the right to choose or they will be the victim of moral dictatorship. So how do we respond
aside from prayer/

How about this (caution: this strategy may not work if you are dealing with an emo):

Your existence on the earth really p**ses me off. I am going to kill you where you stand…

No?

OK, maybe your mother should have killed you when you were (fill in the age)

No?

OK, she should have done the task when you were two. If she would have realized how much heart ache you were going to cause her, she surely should have done so then. After all, you weren’t a real human being back then, were you?

No?

OK, maybe the obstetrician should have snapped your neck just after you were born.Surely that would have been OK, wouldn’t it?

No?

So you don’t like the idea of somebody killing you out of hand? Why? Maybe you weren’t convenient?

Well, you’ve got the same DNA now as you had when you were a mere blastocyst. And if it would have been OK for your mother to murder you when you were in her womb, there is no *moral *difference with somebody randomly murdering you in the street today. A human life is a human life.

In other words, there is nothing wrong in the world with abortion, provided you can explain what the baby did to deserve being brutally executed without trial.
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[jawgee]

Women seeking abortions in a nation with laws prohibiting abortion are just as much victims of moral dictatorship as convicted criminals are.

Just remember the ultimate question regarding abortion: What is the unborn?

Getting the correct answer to that question will preempt any red herrings.

 

[catsrus]

originally posted by broconsul
Women seeking abortions in a nation with laws prohibiting abortion are just as much victims of moral dictatorship as convicted criminals are.

Just remember the ultimate question regarding abortion: What is the unborn?

Free choice gives the person a FIRST choice as to whether or not to commit the act that will result in the creation of another human being.
How does that make anyone a victim?; except as a victim of their own moral dilemma.
IF the woman becomes pregnant due to her “choice” of engaging in the act that causes the result, then the created being becomes of victim of her SECOND “choice” if she chooses abortion.

In answer to your question, the unborn is simply life that has not yet emerged from the womb but IS life, as science has shown us through the ability to see the movement of the being, be it human or animal or fish.
Have you never seen the moving pictures of an as yet unborn child crying or sucking it’s thumb? Google it and then come back with the answer to your own question.

 

[broconsul]

Free choice gives the person a FIRST choice as to whether or not to commit the act that will result in the creation of another human being.
How does that make anyone a victim?; except as a victim of their own moral dilemma.
IF the woman becomes pregnant due to her “choice” of engaging in the act that causes the result, then the created being becomes of victim of her SECOND “choice” if she chooses abortion.

In answer to your question, the unborn is simply life that has not yet emerged from the womb but IS life, as science has shown us through the ability to see the movement of the being, be it human or animal or fish.
Have you never seen the moving pictures of an as yet unborn child crying or sucking it’s thumb? Google it and then come back with the answer to your own question.

You’re being unnecessarily adversarial. We’re on the same side.

The “moral dictatorship” that the OP talks about is the accusation of “legislating morality,” which, as it turns out, is the foundation of justice in a nation with laws.

 

[Texas_Roofer]

someone told me that abortion is unfortunate but because we have a free will women have the right to choose or they will be the victim of moral dictatorship. So how do we respond
aside from prayer/

It would seem there is a communication issue here. Having the "ability" is not the same as having the "right". Let me jump ahead because these issues also usually also confused with authority. If she has the "right" no authority has recourse over her. Christians believe authority exists over all of us and she will answer with a punishment by such authority. So whether she has a civil right over a civil authority is a different issue than divine authority. Odd that the person would fixate on “dictatorship", while dictating how others should act?

 

[thistle]

someone told me that abortion is unfortunate but because we have a free will women
have the right to choose or they will be the victim of moral dictatorship. So how do we respond
aside from prayer/

God gave us free will to accept or reject his love.
Choosing or supporting abortions is choosing freely to reject God’s love and thus choosing to be in a state of mortal sin and dying unrepentent its choosing to go to Hell.

 

[Big_Dummy]

In an abortion only one in three persons involved “has a choice”.

The Mother has a choice to murder her unborn.

The Father often does not have a choice.

And, the Baby never has a choice.

 

[catsrus]

originally posted by broconsul
You’re being unnecessarily adversarial. We’re on the same side.

I was answering the question you posed.
Your post did not show any indication that you did not want an answer or that (though labeling yourself as Catholic in your ID) we “are on the same side”.
It’s good that we are.
I lived in Tempe for 8 years and attended the Newman Center. Is that your parish?

 

[JohnCS]

You’re being unnecessarily adversarial. We’re on the same side.

The “moral dictatorship” that the OP talks about is the accusation of “legislating morality,” which, as it turns out, is the foundation of justice in a nation with laws.

It seems that more than one person misread your post =) I think the poster who only posted smilies misread you too. I had to read it twice to make sure it didn’t say what I thought it said at first.

 

[puzzleannie]

someone told me that abortion is unfortunate but because we have a free will women
have the right to choose or they will be the victim of moral dictatorship. So how do we respond
aside from prayer/

does your source feel the same way about all the other moral imperatives which are part of our civil and criminal law codes? If someone murdered her husband would she respect the murderer’s right to choose even though he took an innocent human life? If her car is stolen or her home invaded does she protect the thief’s right to choose. She is, hmm I am trying to find a kinder word than idiot.