Free will and dimensions?

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I was talking with an atheist and he said:

“Having the ability to make our own decisions implies that nothing can know what is going to happen. Again, that means that time would have to be a 4 dimensional line, which by law is a 1 dimensional figure, from our view. And a 4 dimensional point from gods view, again a point has no dimension.”

For the first part, is it possible that thats a definition, and we believe in the literal free will, meaning not being controlled like a puppet to do certain things?
Not sure what to say about the dimensions part, though, not sure God would be in a comprehendible dimension.
 
I_am_learning said:
I was talking with an atheist and he said:

“Having the ability to make our own decisions implies that nothing can know what is going to happen. Again, that means that time would have to be a 4 dimensional line, which by law is a 1 dimensional figure, from our view. And a 4 dimensional point from gods view, again a point has no dimension.”

For the first part, is it possible that thats a definition, and we believe in the literal free will, meaning not being controlled like a puppet to do certain things?
Not sure what to say about the dimensions part, though, not sure God would be in a comprehendible dimension.
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It sounds to me to be a perspective that is limited in approach by seeing the possibility of a Creator only existing within the constraints of time. You have said “freewill” and so this pretty much equates to the first part. The second part, I have no idea. When the person talks about the “dimensional”, is he talking about mathematics or science, or what? It sounds as if it is a simplified theory of something. :confused:
 
Free-will only makes sense within the confines of the dimensions within which our human life is lived.

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I_am_learning said:
I was talking with an atheist and he said:

“Having the ability to make our own decisions implies that nothing can know what is going to happen. Again, that means that time would have to be a 4 dimensional line, which by law is a 1 dimensional figure, from our view. And a 4 dimensional point from gods view, again a point has no dimension.”

For the first part, is it possible that thats a definition, and we believe in the literal free will, meaning not being controlled like a puppet to do certain things?
Not sure what to say about the dimensions part, though, not sure God would be in a comprehendible dimension.
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I consider myself something of a nerd and I have no idea what he’s talking about. What does free will have to do with 4 dimensions? Why did he call it a line when it’s obviously a tesseract (a 4-D object) or something along those lines? What law is he talking about? Why is he so vague?
 
God exists beyond the dimensions of the universe. The different dimensions are constructs of the universe. God created the universe which presupposes existence outside the confines of time and space.

Your atheist friend’s definition of dimensions shows no understanding of quantum physics so if you were confused by his scientific gibberish, it’s him, not you. The dimensions beyond ours would be as incomprehensible to us as the third dimension would be to Mickey Mouse. How much more incomprehensible would be a Supreme Being who existed before and created the universe with all it’s dimensions!

The father of relativity and one of the biggest contributors to quantum physics in the 20th century, opened each blessing with ‘‘Blessed be the Lord God, King of all the Universe…’’ While he was not always a Jew, his research into physics convinced him of the existence of a Supreme Being that was even before there was a Universe. This was Dr. Albert Einstein.
 
God gives each of us free will meaning we each have the freedom to choose good over evil.

Spirit beings do not consist of matter like we human beings do so spirits are not dimensional.
 
“I disagree, if god knows your final choice then you really have no choice. Thats the whole point of free will, anything and any choice is possible so nothing can know what youre going to do. Even if its just the final outcome that still takes away from free will”
 
We live in a 4 dimensional world- length, width, height, time. Another dimension isn’t another world. There may be more, we just don’t notice them.
 
I_am_learning said:
“I disagree, if god knows your final choice then you really have no choice. Thats the whole point of free will, anything and any choice is possible so nothing can know what youre going to do. Even if its just the final outcome that still takes away from free will”
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Thanks guys.

Sorry if I did not say, but this was a recent reply, which I cant exactly explain. I had said that God knowing our choices does not prevent us from choosing to do something. He seems to be attached to the “whole point of free will,” help?
 
GEddie said:
Free-will only makes sense within the confines of the dimensions within which our human life is lived.

IMNAAHO

ICXC NIKA.
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True. But what he meant was that despite the convoluted “dimensional” language, freewill is a natural response to begin tackling the first question, which was: “Having the ability to make our own decisions implies that nothing can know what is going to happen”. What this doesn’t help with in itself is aiding the person to see that the Creator is not bound to the constraints of time. The two questions are inter-linked and yet can be treated separately as one has to start somewhere in one dimension or other.
 
I was reading about the CERN collider project and the director was saying they have found proof of extra dimensions thru their experiments, in fact, the way I understood it, they are planning on doing more tests in this area. I have no idea what the purpose of God creating extra dimensions, but if they are there, he had some reason to create them, but Im not sure we were meant to intermingle with them.

Sort of a ‘tower of babel’ situation, Im sure if God felt we were attempting something we should not be, he would intervene to stop it, just as he did in the biblical tower of babel, to kind of set man back on the right track.
 
mikekle said:
I was reading about the CERN collider project and the director was saying they have found proof of extra dimensions thru their experiments, in fact, the way I understood it, they are planning on doing more tests in this area. I have no idea what the purpose of God creating extra dimensions, but if they are there, he had some reason to create them, but Im not sure we were meant to intermingle with them.

Sort of a ‘tower of babel’ situation, Im sure if God felt we were attempting something we should not be, he would intervene to stop it, just as he did in the biblical tower of babel, to kind of set man back on the right track.
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Probably closer to the truth than you or I could possibly know. What keeps our 4 dimensions stable? Finding out by messing with these other dimensions doesn’t sound like the best way to find out!
 
mikekle said:
I was reading about the CERN collider project and the director was saying they have found proof of extra dimensions thru their experiments, in fact, the way I understood it, they are planning on doing more tests in this area. I have no idea what the purpose of God creating extra dimensions, but if they are there, he had some reason to create them, but Im not sure we were meant to intermingle with them.

Sort of a ‘tower of babel’ situation, Im sure if God felt we were attempting something we should not be, he would intervene to stop it, just as he did in the biblical tower of babel, to kind of set man back on the right track.
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I really don’t know any thing either, being mathematically challenged, but it maybe that heaven exists in other dimensions than the universe. There is some evidence that spiritual beings can step into other dimensions through “portals” that exist in certain places on earth. It is known that heaven is outside the dimension of time. Another evidence comes from concept of “trinity”. We hold that God is one, yet He is 3. Some years ago some scientists put together an advanced computer program to try to make sense of this. They found that it is mathematically possible for 1 to equal 3 when you reach the eleventh dimention. This is a clue that God has many more dimensions.

However I think the OP wants to know how there can be true freedom if God already knows what we will choose. In fact there may be a thousand variables that influence our choice, but God already takes into consideration 10 thousand possible contingencies. He just knows and you can’t avoid it. The sin of Adam did not take Him by surprise. He did not have to come up with a “plan B”.

But what you really need to consider is how anyone can be free without God’s truth? You see, without His light you will only be in darkness and that is true bondage. Jesus said, “you shall know the truth and the truth will make you free”. And again, “The one who the Son sets free is free indeed”. God is for our freedom not against it, but then, you need to trust that He knows more than we do.🙂
 
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