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I was approached by a woman in my community who I admired very much - she is lively, energetic, friendly, and fun. She also seemed to be very, very holy and devout. She is very stylish and has a beautiful home, is very concerned with her appearance. When I would struggle with earthly desires for material things, I would look to her as an example. Because while she was all these things, she also seemed very committed to doing the Lord’s work in her family and in our community.

Over a year ago, she approached me and asked me if I would like to join her, and 4 other women, in this “circle” of friends type thing. Basically, it is a group of women who meet once a month for dinner and conversation. All of the women are older than myself, and they accepted me right away. I was very excited about this new group of friends, but at the same time, I was also very leery of one point: the woman insisted it be a secret because it would hurt the feelings of other mutual friends who were not asked to join.

I joined them because at the time, I was desperate for close friends. I was lonely and praying constantly for Christ to bring holy, devout women with like-minded interests into my life.
We had dinner several times, and I felt very comfortable with them. We talked about everything, which was liberating. Because we were close friends, we could confide in one another like sisters.

Then problems began to pop up. The lady who originally invited me to this group, began to criticize me deeply for language I used when we were together, and how I spoke. How I communicated, how I thought, how I acted. None of it was in a holy “spirit” or pure, she said. I challenged her on it, as I didn’t feel I was speaking any differently than anyone else.

Throughout the year, I rarely ever heard from any of these women again. Occassionally I would email them to see how they were, and every once in awhile, I’d see one or more at mass.

Then I found out I had a serious health issue. I felt very alone and isolated, and to be honest, was worn out from a year of one big problem after another. I got in touch my group of friends and told them how much I needed them and their prayers. No one could get together, they hardly responded. While I was in the hospital, a couple of them said they’d be by to see me, and never came.

And in their defense, they had their own lives. One’s daughter was discerning adopting a baby from a foreign country. Another was building a new house. Two women had children getting ready to marry in 2008, and the last lost her father suddenly.

Two weeks ago, one of the women confessed that the group had been meeting, but just not calling me.

I finally broke down and told a mutual friend of all of ours - the group’s, mine - of what was going on. This secret club.

My friend, a very, very holy, wise and fair woman, told me of what I was dealing with. That the “leader” of this group was not exactly the image she portrayed. They had invited my friend into the group a long time ago, and she declined after praying over it and realizing it was not a good thing. The “leader” lashed out at her, was cruel to her daughter, sabotaged her daughter’s friendships, said mean things to them, and just acted horribly - all because my friend wouldn’t join their group. This lady cusses out her children, and then demands holy behavior from them. She is vindictive and cruel and concerned only about how she looks in the community, and she uses people for what she thinks they can bring to her life: prestige, things, etc.

Another person in the group was practicing “cleansing rituals” on people, even though she does not have any gifts of healing, especially none that are sanctioned through the church. My friend visited a healer that is approved by the Church, a gifted woman, for health issues - much like a doctor. Only this woman incorporates spirituality with her medicine. Well, the woman in this group, after visiting her once, decided she no longer had any problems and that she herself would start cleansing people.

I am praying for these women, as the “leader” has apparently involved yet another woman in the mix. A formally sweet and loving person, who has become very opinionated, harsh in words, and just not like herself at all. She has, apparently, replaced me within this group.

I just don’t even know what else to do. I feel like I need some closure to this evil thing.

In the name of holiness, am I just to take this, let them do this to me? Especially the leader, who rules our community with an iron fist and ignorance about our faith? These are women who are looked upon as deeply devout, knowledgable figures. All of my other friends think they walk on water, they are so perfect.

Please, any advice would be helpful. There are so many details I left out, because of the space constraints.
 
this sounds like typical quarrels of 5th grade girls (a la Judy Blume books) which is quirky enough in grown women, but the spiritual manipulation going on is really sick. Since you ask, I think you should speak to your priest about the entire situation, not tale telling, but for guidance on your own reactions and subsequent behavior toward these people. you have come into contact with some very toxic people, and may need help to get over this. reminds me of an old 70s movies about witches who looked and acted like typical desperate suburban housewives.
 
Since I never met the “holy” lady I can not put any labels on her. Your description of her sounded almost like a bi-polar personality type. Or,… as someone who wanted to appear holy like the “show-off” Pharisees of the bible.
I don’t think her club was the best choice for you if you were interested in growing in holiness. Most parishes have a list of legitimate groups you could join.
Don’t feel it is necessary to belong to a group in order to grow spiritually. Years ago there was a movement in the church called “Renew”. I joined a group of women who would meet every other week and discuss the gospel for the following Sunday. I enjoyed the gospel discussions but I did not enjoy all the gossiping that went on before and after the discussions. I only stayed with that group six months.
A couple years ago I discovered the Regnum Christi nights of recollection that are held once a month at the new Catholic university in Sacramento. These women who attend are “holy” women and I feel honored to be in their presence. No gossiping ever goes on. Everyone takes the Humility Litany seriously. If you haven’t read it, please do. Once a year they sponsor a silent Ignatius weekend retreat which I attended a few weekends ago. Part of the program was to sign up for an hour of eucharistic adoration in the middle of the night. It was a wonderful experience.
The reason I mentioned these two very different types of study groups is to show you that I had to find “my” niche. There is the perfect (well, nothing is perfect) group waiting for you to find.
Good luck!
 
You really have to be careful of the groups you get involved in. Several years ago there was mention in the church bulletin that a Nun was going to be holding a Bible study for women. I thought that would be perfect for me since I love studying the Bible. Well, I went and had my Bible with me. I was told that I had the wrong idea! The Bible did not belong. They listened to tapes of water and wind and talked about God being in the bushes and in the stop lights. That was their idea of Bible study. I left and never returned. I have no idea why it was listed as a Bible study.
Since you see those women at Mass I wonder if your pastor is aware of what is going on. It might be a good idea to talk to a priest and find out if he knows what those women are doing as “good, spiritual” women.
 
Boy, when a group is to be kept a “secret” that is not a good sign. :eek:
 
I know - the secretive thing really got to me. I couldn’t add it to my original post because of space constraints, but in the beginning, I really challenged this woman, in particular, about why it had to be so secretive.

I think talking to my parish priest is a good idea. I’m trying not to be angry about this, or hurt, but it’s not working very well. Some part of me wants to call them out on their misdeeds. Another part of me says to just stay away from them until I am over being upset with them, and can trust myself not to say something rash.

Ironically, the lady that has taken my place is someone I asked them to add to the group earlier this year. I adore her, even before her massive personality change since being with them, and wanted to share this newfound friendship with her. The “leader” adamantly was against it, citing secrecy and hurt feelings and keeping the group small.

Apparently someone clued her into this woman’s husband being an upcoming doctor in the community, because now she’s all over her. I feel bad for my friend, but I don’t know how, or if, I should approach it with her. Her personality has done a 180 degree turn, so I’m leery.

I’m just so sick of this whole sordid deal. Tired of feeling manipulated, tired of being friends with people on their terms, tired of finding out people I thought were one way, are actually another. It really makes me think I need to just completely distance myself from this community, perhaps forever. But this is all of my anger coming out, I realize.

I don’t want to be angry about it, I want to be holy in my actions and words. I just wondered what other devout Catholics thought about secret friendships and my situation with people who claim to be one thing but aren’t. It’s all very deceitful.
 
Since you see those women at Mass I wonder if your pastor is aware of what is going on. It might be a good idea to talk to a priest and find out if he knows what those women are doing as “good, spiritual” women.
I’ve thought about this, and am still thinking about it. I just don’t know how to approach it. Am I tattling on them? That’s the feeling I get if I just run to my beloved priest and tell him what’s going on. Or am I just needing his guidance for dealing with it? I would be mortified if he approached this woman and asked her about her dealings. She would enlist a smear campaign against me that would rival any presidential election.

I’ve already decided I don’t want to continue these friendships, especially with this particular toxic personality. But I also don’t want to get into the habit of throwing stones, as I myself am no saint.
 
If you do talk to your priest, I would definitely tell him about the secrecy part. That would not be spiritually healthy in any situation. I may be wrong but my understanding is that Catholics are not to join secret clubs or organization or brotherhoods, or sisterhoods. I realize this group isn’t exactly the Masons, but they don’t sound good, and it sounds like more people will get hurt. It may even cause someone to stop going to church if they cross the group. Father should know that a “secret” club is going on in his parish and is upsetting an ex-member, which is you. Hopefully, he will give you advice on how to handle the women, if not put an end to it. My prayers will be with you.
 
You would not be tattling on the women if you talked to your parish priest. He is there to lead you on the right spiritual path and if there are people hindering your walk then he should know about it. He could give you the advice you need and he should certainly know about this secret club that is going on within his parish. Good luck in whatever way you decide to handle this but something really should be done. Those women are not the kind of women whose friendship you need or want.
 
I would have trouble forgiving, too. But, maybe it would help to identify with Jesus. He was betrayed and abandoned, too.

Maybe you will be inspired to form your own Rosary group–open to all-- to mentor women like yourself who are searching for friendships with likeminded Catholic women.
 
I have run into people like this, although not to the extreme that you describe. Many people believe that holiness is special and given to only a few, and they strive to be one of those few by erecting artificial barriers and self-made tests to exclude those that aren’t really holy (like they think they are). Unsurprisingly, these “tests” are invariably things that they and their friends find easy, but others find hard. The need to feel specially selected and set apart is as old as religion, and the root cause of many heresies.

What to do? Forgive them. They think they are being righteous. Whether their faux-righteousness is justified is for God to judge. Go your own way and celebrate the fact that you are among the millions and billions that are truly God’s people. Pray for them in the loneliness of their little club.
 
Thank you for that wonderful response. It truly was in the spirit of what I could not articulate for myself, but felt. 👍

I don’t know if I mentioned it, but I have started praying for these women regularly. I did write my parish priest a letter about this situation, and plan on speaking with him on it. My friend who helped me with this went to confession yesterday and spoke with her priest about it. She, too, went through exactly this situation with these same women ten years ago, so she understands how I feel about most of it. I do not know what her priest told her, but she tells me that I am on the right path. Which is a comfort, to say the least.
 
Wow… to me, it sounds like such… fakery.
An image of holiness and eliteness.

Some people really believe that holiness is obvious… clearly visable to the outside world… but how far from the truth is that in reality?!?
Holiness is in the everyday, average, normal people walking down the street as much as anyone else.

Some people are drawn to “community” life… to share their spirituality with others. This ALWAYS needs to be done in an open forum… not secretive.
Talk to your priest about groups within the parish… avoid secret cliques.
 
:hug1: I am so sorry you had to go through this. How horrible for these women to take advantage of people who are just looking to belong and find fellowship within their faith.

The secrecy and “cleansing rituals” disturb me as much as their outwardly “pious” behavior. Talk about wolves in sheeps clothing! You are so right in praying for them - especially the “ring-leader”. She sounds toxic - while reading the post, all I could think of was something along the lines of the Stepford Wives. I have a feeling that perhaps some or all of the other 3 want out but are afraid of her wrath. So very sad indeed!

Don’t feel bad or like you are tattling on them when you speak with your Priest. That is what he is there for - to guide his flock. If this is going on in his parish he definitely has a right to know about it, and like previous posters have said, perhaps he can guide you towards a group of like-minded people who will be your real friends - the kind that are there in your hour of need, like these other “friends” have failed to do.

I will be praying for all of you. But please don’t lose hope. Thank God you are out of that circle!
 
Boy, even today at Mass it was tense. I brought my children in to serve as altar servers, and was with my priest, listening to his funny story about hugging someone earlier in the day. We were just visiting for a very short while, quietly laughing and enjoying one another’s company as the children dressed in their robes. I walked out into the church itself, and looked up. Glaring at me from across the church was the newest of the group. It was so disheartening. Later, when we gave the sign of peace to one another, she acted startled like she didn’t know I was there. So very bizarre. :confused: :confused: :confused:

I know in my heart I have done nothing to cause this, so I am ok in that regard. I have prayed for God to reveal to my error if I am responsible. He has remained silent, but I feel close to Him when I think about how I am behaving while this situation continues to fester.

It has been a long time since I’ve been singled out for something like this. Most likely, grade school. And it’s not just me, it’s just my “time”. This has happened to many in our community, and I’m just the latest. I just hate how my anger churns in my chest when I think about it all. I want to overcome that feeling and just move on to acceptance and forgiveness. They will be judged; it’s not my place. But I have to get past being angry for what they have done, and continue to do. 😦
 
I think you are going about all of this the right way, by praying and seeking the Lord for guidance and protection. The anger will eventually go away (or at least lessen) - you are still in my prayers.

It’s sad that they are acting like this. If they keep dumping on people like they are, there will be no one left in town who will want anything to do with them. It’s scary that they act as if they’re so pious and outwardly holy - I feel sorry for their children!
 
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