fumbing the body of Christ

[Rin]

I will stand by my statement.

By all means - as will I.

A mortal sin must be committed with deliberate and complete consent, enough for it to have been a personal decision to commit the sin. “Mortal sin requires full knowledge and complete consent. It presupposes knowledge of the sinful character of the act, of its opposition to God’s law. It also implies a consent sufficiently deliberate to be a personal choice.” The CCC.

I’m sorry, but you misinterpret the meaning of “full knowledge and complete consent”. Claiming that inattentiveness can never fulfil the criteria of mortal sin is simply absurd.

But we’re going in in circles here, and I doubt we’ll make any progress by continuing this. So I’ll withdraw for now. I wish you a continued happy Eastertide

 

[ProVobis]

Most people spill when they are trying to do two or three things at the same time. Pay attention to one, what is in your hand, and you won’t.

That’s what football coaches tell their players. Yet they fumble several times a game. Just sayin…

 

[maryjk]

That’s what football coaches tell their players. Yet they fumble several times a game. Just sayin…

I do have to say, that I have never heard a priest yell, “go long,” as he was distributing Communion. But maybe that is why people drop the Host, when they receive in the hand, they are going long.

 

[ProVobis]

I do have to say, that I have never heard a priest yell, “go long,” as he was distributing Communion. But maybe that is why people drop the Host, when they receive in the hand, they are going long.

That would be an incomplete pass. I’m talking about simple exchanges and hand maneuvers.Someone bumps your hand and guess what? Sometimes a bump isn’t even required. Never dropped anything in your life? Without a plate, I know there’s a chance food will drop to the floor. Is it really an accident if it could have been prevented?

 

[maryjk]

That would be an incomplete pass. I’m talking about simple exchanges and hand maneuvers.Someone bumps your hand and guess what? Sometimes a bump isn’t even required. Never dropped anything in your life? Without a plate, I know there’s a chance food will drop to the floor. Is it really an accident if it could have been prevented?

I’ve never dropped the Host from my hand. But of course, unlike a football, I am not grabbing and going. No one is trying to take the Host from me. There is no scuffle. I am not in danger of being tackled.

Now, dropping food. Of course I drop food. Even when I have a plate, I drop food. But when I do that, I am not paying attention. I am doing two or three things at once. I may be talking, walking, reading, watching TV, but rarely do I eat without anything else happening. Sometimes it is very chaotic at my house. So, yes, food is sometimes dropped.

I am not advocating receiving, either way. The Church norm is to receive on the tongue. The Church allows reception in the hand. It is not up to *me *to tell people which they should do.

 

[marytk]

I do serve as an extraordinary minister of Holy Communion. I have had people move their heads while receiving. I was able to adjust but one time it was just barely. It might have been in one case that he remembered the bow at the last minute. So he was bowing while he was ready to receive. I also had someone start to cough right at the wrong time.

 

[ProVobis]

I am not advocating receiving, either way. The Church norm is to receive on the tongue. The Church allows reception in the hand. It is not up to *me *to tell people which they should do.

I have not directly stated my position on this thread, just saying people do drop things. And yes, I can understand that an oversized wafer can’t be practically placed on the tongue inside of a small mouth. But can we agree that a paten would be a good, though not perfect, tool to be used in all cases of receiving communion? After all one of the conditions was

1. Whatever procedure is adopted, care must be taken not to allow particles of the eucharistic bread to fall or be scattered.

 

[otjm]

By all means - as will I.

I’m sorry, but you misinterpret the meaning of “full knowledge and complete consent”. Claiming that inattentiveness can never fulfil the criteria of mortal sin is simply absurd.

But we’re going in in circles here, and I doubt we’ll make any progress by continuing this. So I’ll withdraw for now. I wish you a continued happy Eastertide

So you are calling the Catechism of the Catholic Church absurd?

 

[otjm]

That’s what football coaches tell their players. Yet they fumble several times a game. Just sayin…

Football players, in motion, trying to catch an object thrown to them.

Standing still in front of a priest, or deacon, or EMHC with your hand out, palm up, while they place the Eucharist in the palm of your hand.

“Just saying”.

Um Humh.

 

[otjm]

:extrahappy:

I do have to say, that I have never heard a priest yell, “go long,” as he was distributing Communion. But maybe that is why people drop the Host, when they receive in the hand, they are going long.

:extrahappy:

 

[otjm]

I’ve never dropped the Host from my hand. But of course, unlike a football, I am not grabbing and going. No one is trying to take the Host from me. There is no scuffle. I am not in danger of being tackled.

Now, dropping food. Of course I drop food. Even when I have a plate, I drop food. But when I do that, I am not paying attention. I am doing two or three things at once. I may be talking, walking, reading, watching TV, but rarely do I eat without anything else happening. Sometimes it is very chaotic at my house. So, yes, food is sometimes dropped.

I am not advocating receiving, either way. The Church norm is to receive on the tongue. The Church allows reception in the hand. It is not up to *me *to tell people which they should do.

And, to add to that, you are not going to images that have absolutely no bearing whatsoever to the reception of the Eucharist.

The illogic of the images which have been presented shows that the issue is not one of logic, but rather of pure emotion. “I so intensely dislike this issue that I will go to any illogical lengths to show how it is a bad choice” pretty much fits the bill."

 

[sjays]

And, to add to that, you are not going to images that have absolutely no bearing whatsoever to the reception of the Eucharist.

The illogic of the images which have been presented shows that the issue is not one of logic, but rather of pure emotion. “I so intensely dislike this issue that I will go to any illogical lengths to show how it is a bad choice” pretty much fits the bill."

It might appear to some that such “emotion” and the resultant illogic can run both ways.

There is but one source of judgmental anger and provocation weaving its way through this thread. Not having a dog in the fight is a very passive aggressive thing to say when one is constantly instigating a fight.

For the sake of Christian charity, people on both sides of an issue like this should be accorded respect and the freedom to post without being accused of calling the Catechism absurd, for example.

Shouting one’s own credentials from the rafters doesn’t give anyone the right to belittle the genuine beliefs held by others, especially when those beliefs do not go against the teaching of the Church.

 

[Rin]

So you are calling the Catechism of the Catholic Church absurd?

/sigh. One tries to end a discussion, and gets implicit ad hominems in return.

But no I did not call the CCC absurd. I called your interpretation of the CCC absurd. I’ve asked priests about this several times. Good, solid, diocesan, not-anything-suspicious priests. They’ve all said what I said, that inattentiveness may be (or cause) a mortal sin, since it can “satisfy” the criterium of full consent.

But neither I, nor them, said it is always, or even in most cases, so. I’m starting to wonder if when I write “some” or “may”, some people read “all” and “is”. But I’m sorry, I’m not used to thinking categorically like that - in this case, full consent is probably an exception.