Gah, I now understand what you guys are talking about

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Sam_Maloney said:
In my family, we refer to it as ‘The Bump-n-Grind Gloria’. Causes children under 12 to wiggle their bums and point their fingers like Travolta in Saturday Night Fever.
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For those of us old enough to remember disco…The disco beat is the same rhythm as the human heartbeat during sexual intercourse. Disco actually originated in gay nightclubs.
 
A bad music minister can take even the most reverent of songs and make it sound like garbage.
 
I used to be very frustrated because my parish sings the Our Father. I thought, “It’s unfortunate enough that everyone feels the need to reach across pews to hold hands during the Our Father, but now we have to sing it, too?!”

But really, how uncharitable is that attitude? One of the things I love so dearly about Catholic Mass is that it’s a very personal experience in a public setting. I haven’t quite come to terms with the fact that we sing the Our Father, but I’ve started bowing my head, folding my hands, and praying my Our Father aloud to myself and to God.

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What does “aloud to myself” mean? In your head so only you can hear, or vocal but limited to so only you can hear?:confused:
 
mflaschner said:
I used to be very frustrated because my parish sings the Our Father. I thought, “It’s unfortunate enough that everyone feels the need to reach across pews to hold hands during the Our Father, but now we have to sing it, too?!”
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Actually, singing the Our Father is highly desirable. Musicam Sacram (1967) lists it in the first degree, meaning those things that must be sung if anything is sung, and in particular, must be sung before anything in the 2nd or 3rd degree is sung:

These degrees are so arranged that the first may be used even by itself, but the second and third, wholly or partially, may never be used without the first. In this way the faithful will be continually led toward an ever greater participation in the singing.
  1. The following belong to the first degree:
(a) In the entrance rites: the greeting of the priest together with the reply of the people; the prayer.

(b) In the Liturgy of the Word: the acclamations at the Gospel.

(c) In the Eucharistic Liturgy: the prayer over the offerings; the preface with its dialogue and the Sanctus; the final doxology of the Canon, the Lord’s Prayer with its introduction and embolism; the Pax Domini; the prayer after the Communion; the formulas of dismissal.
  1. The following belong to the second degree:
(a) the Kyrie, Gloria and Agnus Dei;

(b) the Creed;

(c) the prayer of the faithful.
  1. The following belong to the third degree:
(a) the songs at the Entrance and Communion processions;

(b) the songs after the Lesson or Epistle;

(c) the Alleluia before the Gospel;

(d) the song at the Offertory;

(e) the readings of Sacred Scripture, unless it seems more suitable to proclaim them without singing.
 
It may have to do with how it is sung - if it is Chant, then that is a positive. If it is a version which isn’t condusive to the nature of the prayer, then that can be problematic.
 
aloysiusg said:
It may have to do with how it is sung - if it is Chant, then that is a positive. If it is a version which isn’t condusive to the nature of the prayer, then that can be problematic.
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You mean like the Jesus Christ Superstar “I Don’t Know How to Love Him” tune that we used to use in our parish???
 
Phemie said:
You mean like the Jesus Christ Superstar “I Don’t Know How to Love Him” tune that we used to use in our parish???
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ummm…yeah. Much as I like that musical, I can’t imagine how you would turn that song into the Our Father. I also don’t see how could you use any of that music at an actual mass.
 
twosweetgirls said:
Count me among you. :mad:
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Know exactly how you feel! I was brought up an Anglican in a parish where the music was always superb, affiliated with the Royal College of Church music (or whatever that bizarre society is called), and as much as I love the Romans the music at my parish is dreadful. There seem to be two groups; those who want modern guitar music and those who want Gregoirian chant. Apparently the millenium in between isn’t worth it 😛

What happened to Mozart? And have Romans never heard of Wesley? 😛
 
dandn5000 said:
Sounds like a nice parish to be in. Something for everybody.

And I’m with you on Lord of the Dance. We had a debate in science class over that song once. I thought that it was stupid and the lyrics tended to oversimplify what happened to Jesus throughout his life, especially the Crucifixion. I got asked, and I quote, by my teacher: “Do you understand the symbolism behind it?” I about died. Of course I do, and I feel that it reduces the Crucifixion especially to a mere dance with the annoyance of a devil on his back. Everybody disagreed with me. Then everybody wanted to do that song for the entrance song at our graduation Mass, and our homeroom teacher put her foot down and said, “This choice isn’t a democratic one, and that song is not going anywhere near this Mass.” I about leapt for joy.
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That’s my “home” parish. I actually sing in a different one. But Assumption really is a very nice parish. Good school, lots of sports and activities for all ages, and the pastor is really wonderful.
 
Jimsdun said:
I always thought that the rotating fists during allelulia was ASL, which would be done by the hearing impaired section. Perhaps someone thought it was cute, and spread it out to the rest of the congregation.

As far as I’m concerned, it is kindergarten-y
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I think the sign for alleluia is one clap of the hands, then making the sign for the letter H – index and middle fingers extended and the others folded into the palm – on both hands, make a couple circles with the hands.

The gesture being described seems to be more like “roll the dough” in Patty Cake. I don’t think that’s used in ASL. I took a couple classes a few years back because I have some deaf friends, but I’m not very good at it. If you don’t do it everyday, it’s very hard to remember. Mostly I amuse them when I sign, but they appreciate the fact that I’m making an effort to communicate. One speaks very well, so she’s kind of the spokesperson for the group. We met through scrapbooking.
 
Sam_Maloney said:
My musical pet peeve-- the one that occurs all the time in my parish-- is found in all the OCP publications: a version of the Gloria scored by Michael ANdersen. I’ve heard it done with a [small] dash of reverence elsewhere, but our keyboardist plays it with a swing rhythum reminiscent of ‘The Stripper’, if you are familiar with that gem…

In my family, we refer to it as ‘The Bump-n-Grind Gloria’. Causes children under 12 to wiggle their bums and point their fingers like Travolta in Saturday Night Fever.
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I’ve got my Breaking Bread hymnal in the car. I’m going to have to sneak out to get it and see which one you mean. I’m pretty sure we do Anderson, but I can’t remember which one is which. None of them brings The Stripper to mind, though.
 
VociMike said:
Actually, singing the Our Father is highly desirable. Musicam Sacram (1967) lists it in the first degree, meaning those things that must be sung if anything is sung, and in particular, must be sung before anything in the 2nd or 3rd degree is sung[/INDENT]
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Hmmm, I had no idea. Perhaps I’d appreciate a solemnly sung Our Father more than the remixed version accompanied by band that I hear every Sunday morning … Either way, thanks for pointing that out!

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mflaschner said:
Hmmm, I had no idea. Perhaps I’d appreciate a solemnly sung Our Father more than the remixed version accompanied by band that I hear every Sunday morning … Either way, thanks for pointing that out!

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I’ve never heard the “Our Father” accompanied by a band or any other kind of instrument. Whenever it is done in the parishes I’ve attended, it is usually sung in a chant with no instrumental accompaniment - either in English or in Latin when we have the Latin NO masses at our parish. Honestly, congregations chant the Our Father the best many times.

What is it like at your parish? Is it like rock music?
 
daeve said:
I’ve got my Breaking Bread hymnal in the car. I’m going to have to sneak out to get it and see which one you mean. I’m pretty sure we do Anderson, but I can’t remember which one is which. None of them brings The Stripper to mind, though.
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The Anderson Gloria is the one I call the Calypso Gloria. I don’t picture strippers, but maybe Harry Belafonte on the Ed Sullivan show.
 
Sarabande said:
I’ve never heard the “Our Father” accompanied by a band or any other kind of instrument. Whenever it is done in the parishes I’ve attended, it is usually sung in a chant with no instrumental accompaniment - either in English or in Latin when we have the Latin NO masses at our parish. Honestly, congregations chant the Our Father the best many times.

What is it like at your parish? Is it like rock music?
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Well, we have a young parish [as in, most of our parishioners are in their 30s with kids]. Our LifeTeen/EDGE Mass has a guitar led “rock” band, but our other Masses follow suit to an extent. We have a choir [beautiful voices - much better than my own!], a piano, an oboe, drums, and percussion. I’m out-of-town almost every other Sunday, so I’m constantly exposed to new Churches, and my home parish seems to be a little more “poppy” than the rest.

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jmcrae said:
Just curious - what kind of science were you studying in that class? :confused:
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Hah. Eighth grade science, so it’s a mishmash of all sorts of physical sciences.

We go off on tangents quite a lot in that class. It’s a popular platform for the teacher’s various soapboxes.
 
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