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Sorry In Spiration (love that name, very clever) but what does that mean ‘the earth was considered as a planet from c. 1400?’ The earth was known to be a global sphere for at least 5,700 years:*** It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth:***’ (Is. 40:22.)Above I showed where a pope condemned any notion of ‘another world’. Obviously papal decrees mean nothing on this ‘Philosophy’ thread, where mediaeval popes were considered scientific ignoramuses who got all their papal decrees on cosmology wrong.From the Online Etymology Dictionary on ‘earth’:
O.E. eorþe “ground, soil, dry land,” also used (along with middangeard) for “the (material) world” (as opposed to the heavens or the underworld), from P.Gmc. *ertho (cf. O.Fris. erthe “earth,” O.S. ertha, O.N. jörð, M.Du. eerde, Du. aarde, O.H.G. erda, Ger. Erde, Goth. airþa), from PIE base *er- “earth, ground” (cf. M.Ir. -ert “earth”). The earth considered as a planet was so called from c.1400.
Perhaps when I’m feeling less intellectually lazy, I’ll try to figure out the translated meaning of the author’s actually used word. But for now, I still don’t see much about ‘earth’ that requires it to mean specifically this planet or even this “universe” (that’s an odd term if our universe is more like one among many connected universes in an even larger multiverse… making the multiverse totality the real “universe”/“earth”/material world perhaps.) Why wouldn’t “earth,” what philosophers used to consider a primary building block of the material world, not our planet or solar system or galaxy or, presumably, post-Big Bang universe, just apply to the “dust” which is transient, material existence?
I happen to think it’s most likely that the Garden was on our planet, but I do think there’s “doxastic wiggle room” here. Thank you for providing that source, though. Anyone know what the original Scripture language for these passages meant by “heaven” and “earth”? I mean, wouldn’t excluding multiverses from “earth” make them into heaven, especially since anything pre-Big Bang would better qualify as “in the beginning”?
The world then was geocentric, that is, the earth was not a planet, never in revelation. The earth was the Lord’s footstool and footstools do not fly off at 70,000mph around the sun. Poor popes, imagine thinking the earth really was the Lord’s footstool. The bible must have meant spaceship, or comet, or flying ‘stool’, if you get what I mean. Why the same decree meant Catholics had to believe Adam and Eve and the garden of Paradise was on that same footstool, the unmoving earth at the centre of the universe as Genesis tried to get us to believe. But we are much smarter now, hell flies around the sun and the Garden could be in a parallel universe. God help us all.