Gay marriage : who cares?

[InSearchofGrace]

So you think your religious rules should be made law in a secular society? Or you don’t want a secular society?

Marriage in the civil and religious context in our society has always been between a man and a woman, notwithstanding that ‘the gay culture has been seeping into popular culture, cleverly claiming credibility,’ to use Bishop Tobin’s phrase. Further, we have a government that is secular, with laws drawn from Christian principles.

I could go on with my answer, but I doubt that you even care for more articulation. You just want a platform for arguments of the same substance as your other posts.
*My only desire is to prevent you folks from forcing your rules down our throats. If I manage to convince someone that following rules given to us by sheepherders from 2,000 years ago is silly that’s just a bonus.*If your words above is why you keep posting in this forum, why not review U.S. history and government again? A good study should assure you religious law is not likely to supersede secular law. We won’t turn into a theocracy like Iran. Plus, the sheer size of the country in terms of population would render that scenario next to impossible. As for my personal preference, and if this country were tiny, I would not mind at all that people choose Catholicism as the state religion, like it is in Malta or Liechtenstein.

Having read many of your posts, what is apparent is that you strongly push that others agree to the normalization of the homosexual act and institution of gay marriage across the land, even as you claim you are not a homosexual and is in an admitted consensual non-monogamy with your wife.

By describing how much you enjoy your swinging lifestyle, you manage to shock everyone except perhaps those who have an interest to see normalized homosexual behavior and gay marriage established because of their own personal struggle with homosexuality, a few agnostics, and a sympathetic Catholic poster here and there. You are anonymous in this forum, so you dare post your unorthodox views without embarrassment. However, you admitted to keeping your and your wife’s swinging lifestyle from her young son, and give the impression that you maintain discreet conduct in real life. This tells me you are not really proud of what you are doing.

You may be entertaining the hope that with wider acceptance of gay marriage by society, mores would also loosen in having open marriages and polyamorous relationships, which seem to be your cup of tea. If so, you can forget it, Seeker. You are wasting your time. In fact, the more you post, the more strongly posters here feel that gay marriages should not take a foothold in this country.

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[Abu]

Seeker2010
To the extent that homosexuality causes any long lasting mental or emotional damage (and that’s assuming facts very much not in evidence)

Solid evidence – the disorder is emotional and the person is just as responsible for seeking and accepting treatment as the alcoholic or drug user.

Psychiatrist Dr Jeffrey Satinover in his monumental Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth, provides solid medical and scientific facts which place the “lifestyle” with behavioural problems like alcoholism and drug addiction. He explains that the activity is “rooted in choices the individual has made in the search for pleasure, and which become so powerfully addictive that they become habitual.” For 15 years Dr Satinover has helped over 50% to overcome their homosexual disorder. Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth, Dr Jeffrey Satinover, 1996, Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books.]

The disordered condition has been found, by those who wish to correct it, to respond well to reparative therapy.
Studies show that homosexuals experience considerably higher levels of mental illness and substance abuse than heterosexuals. A detailed review of the research has shown that “no other group of comparable size in society experiences such intense and widespread pathology.”36
Note:
36. James E. Phelan, Neil Whitehead, Philip M. Sutton, “What Research Shows: NARTH’s Response to the APA Claims on Homosexuality,” Journal of Human Sexuality Vol. 1, p. 93 (National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality, 2009).

“There is a whole way of thinking and feeling that occurs long before the inclination to genital acts with persons of the same sex arises in the heart…the disorder itself is rooted in unhealthy emotions.” [Fr John A Harvey, *The Truth About Homosexuality, Ignatius, 1996, p 154-5. Also Elizabeth Moberly’s Homosexuality: A New Christian Ethic, and Gerald van Aardweg’s Homosexuality and Hope, for an analysis of such emotions].

The chapter on Women With Homosexual Orientation gives many testimonies to the efficacy of reparative therapy and indicates that it is easier for many women to overcome their problem than men. The Truth About Homosexuality, Fr John A Harvey O.S.F.S., Ignatius, 1996].

Dr William Kraft asserts that the habit of masturbation carries the message that the person has not integrated his social, spiritual, emotional and physical life.” (A Psychospiritual View, 39-45). [Referenced and quoted by Fr John A Harvey O.S.F.S., *The Truth About Homosexuality, Ignatius 1996, p 162).