Gender qualifications for priests

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Hello. I’m new to this site. I have a question about the priesthood that a friend asked me. She is considering joining the church but her stumbling block is the male only priesthood. She told me that her uncle was born with some sort of congenital defect that gave him poorly defined genitalia. He was raised a male and converted to Catholicism and was considering a vocation just before he died. She asked me if the church has a specific set of criteria based on absolute biology to determine who can be a priest, and if not, then why are women denied based solely on their gender? I have no answer for this. I also want to know myself since our souls lack gender. I think this is sexist but I don’t know the answers. My wife told me to sign up and ask. Thanks
 
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Your friend cannot be a woman and join the christian clergy. She can be a nun, but not an ordained preist. Additionally she could be a preist in a protestant congregation, but she would than be outside of the church and I would never suggest that to anyone.
 
Nobody is ‘denied’ the priesthood, because nobody is ‘entitled’ to the priesthood. It is a calling. And for the Church, the important thing to remember is that the Church itself does not determine what is truth, the Church PROCLAIMS what is true.

And what the Church proclaims is that it --the Church–has no authority to ordain women.

For Catholics, the Authority we have is the Author, that is, God, and the Church proclaims what the Authority tells us is Truth. The Church doesn’t sit around deciding, "is this true’ or ‘is that true’, it tells what the Holy Spirit reveals is true.

And the Holy Spirit has said that the Church has no authority --nothing from the Author–to allow it to ordain women to the priesthood.

So that must mean that, since we accept that God is perfect, and obviously is not sexist, then for men only to be ordained priests must be right and good and perfect, and for women NOT to be ordained priests likely must be right and good and perfect. We don’t know why, and frankly we don’t need to know why, because God knows even when we DO ‘know why’ you will have people argue and scream and wail and deny anyway because there are some truths that people just don’t want to accept.

As a woman, while I never wanted to be a priest, and never felt ‘denied’, I also can understand especially in our uber-politically correct climate why some women might feel differently. But feelings, while important, are never a good guide to truth. We all know people who can feel that something is absolutely right --and be incredibly, crashingly wrong. (look at politics for example).

It comes down to trust. Do we trust God to be perfectly fair, loving, and just, even when it seems that something He says is right seems ‘politically incorrect’, or do we insist that He is wrong, that we know better, that we are more ‘just’ than God Himself?

That’s the real question.
 
It is sad that it is a stumbling block to your friend’s conversion to Catholicism.

Women have many wonderful ways to use their particular talents in the Church.

It is a matter of obedience that the priesthood is male only.

It is a stumbling block to not be obedient.
 
She told me that her uncle was born with some sort of congenital defect that gave him poorly defined genitalia. He was raised a male and converted to Catholicism and was considering a vocation just before he died. She asked me if the church has a specific set of criteria based on absolute biology to determine who can be a priest, and if not, then why are women denied based solely on their gender?
First of all her uncle was male, not “raised a male”. He had some physical deformities. This does not mean he had no gender. Did he have ovaries and uterus? Don’t think so. So why does this friemd compare his case of wanting to be a priest to that of a woman?
Secondly, Christ resurrected refused to touch St. Mary Magdalene ( the Eucharist being Himself the priest touches him at Consecration). He said she had touched Him enough. This I found on many sites why Christ denied female priesthood.
Secondly, the perfect woman, Virgin Mary never claimed priesthood. So why do other women do it? The perfect man did claim priesthood, that is Jesus Christ, our Lord Savaot, the High Priest and God all in One. But the woman didn’t. So women today who want to be priestesses I would ask them IF they think they are better than Virgin Mary.
 
If having a women-only priesthood is going to keep someone from joining the Church and receiving Jesus in the Real Presence, their priorities are a bit out of kilter.
 
I’d like to hear more about your thoughts of souls not having gender.
 
We see when Jesus goes about calling his 12 Apostles that he calls only men. These men go on to become the first Bishops of the church, who are given the authority to Be able to continue Christ’s work on earth. These include the forgiving of sins and the celebration of the Eucharist as just a couple of examples. One reason why only men can be priests that kind of sticks out is, whenever the priest is celebrating mass(specifically at consecration) he is “In Persona Christi” or “In the Person of Christ”. At this point He is fulfilling the commandment given by Christ to celebrate the Eucharist as he did, and since the priest is in the person of Christ he has to be male, as Christ is.
 
“Sex” rather than “gender” in this case, I think.
I concur.

Humans belong to a sex (male or female). I think ‘gender’ is best left as a linguistic term, e.g. masculine, feminine, neuter nouns, adjectives, etc.
 
First of all her uncle was male, not “raised a male”.
This can happen. Children are born with physical defects and determining sex is not straightforward. In the past it was often the attending doctor who chose the child’s sex. that was put on the birth certificate and became the legal sex of the child and usually the sex they were raised as. Fortunately, nowadays the parents are involved in the decision as to what sex to assign a child with anatomical abnormalities that makes determining the child’s sex difficult.
 
She asked me if the church has a specific set of criteria based on absolute biology to determine who can be a priest, and if not, then why are women denied based solely on their gender?
One of the requirements for Catholic priesthood is that the candidate be male. There are other requirements as well. Women aren’t denied. God doesn’t call women to fill that role. It’s not a value judgement against women which is how I think many women see it. “I’m considered not good enough to be a priest because I’m a woman.” There are many women who are very good with things like teaching, counseling, administration etc. However, these aren’t the main gifts the priesthood is based on although they are part of their duties. It’s being marked, through the Sacrament of Holy Orders to stand In Persona Christi (in the person of Christ) during the sacrifice of the Mass. Christ, through the priest, becomes present to us from the cross on Calvary, to give of Himself to each one of us individually so that we might have His life within us. But we don’t keep this life hidden inside, the faithful are called to go forth and be fruitful and bring new children of God to the Church.

A husband gives something of himself to his wife so that she also may carry new life within her. By her loving reception of him, in which she offers a part of herself joined to him, new life is created. She becomes the nurturer and custodian of this new life and, in her own participation in Calvary, through water and blood, she brings forth new life. Both man and woman bring forth new life but each has a complementary way of participating in that process. We also must remember that the priest that is standing there, In Persona Christi, is the fruit of the sacrifice of suffering his mother made in bearing him and nurturing his soul after he was born.

Christ, too, in working through the priest is present and yes, He is male but let’s remember that Mary, who knew not man, was the only one from whom He took the flesh that formed His body. No human male had a part in that. Both sexes are represented when Christ is made present to us. The male sex is just the more prominent one we see. We have to look beyond just what we see physically in order to perceive the supernatural realities that are there and we will with the help of grace through the Sacraments.

To have a female priest, would mean these supernatural and natural realities, would lose their meaning. The priesthood would simply be a utilitarian function of going through the motions that is merely symbolic without making present the actual supernatural realities that are really and truly there.

Our souls do not lack gender. This is a good article that explains the Catholic view on this.

“…if we take sexuality as more than biological parts, and view it as belonging deeply to the whole person, it extends to the spirit or soul and is not confined to the body.”

 
We are happy to discuss with you as long as you are respectful of Church teaching and our beliefs. Calling Church teaching “nonsense” is disrespectful, against the terms of service of the forum, and suggests a lack of good faith on your part in posting the question here.

I hope someday you and your friend get your priorities more in order so you are not so focused on the anatomy of the priests and more focused on Jesus Christ.
 
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Well thats a nice opinion you have. Good thing that won’t ever change the Church or the teachings of the church.

The preist is a living icon of Christ. Christ is a man. To have female priests would be to invert Christ’s sex. It also directly goes agianst scripture:
1 Timothy
{2:9} In like manner, women also in decent apparel: adorning themselves with modesty and sobriety, not with plaited hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly attire:
{2:10} But, as it becometh women professing godliness, with good works.
{2:11} Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
{2:12} But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to use authority over the man: but to be in silence.
{2:13}For Adam was first formed; then Eve.
{2:14} And Adam was not seduced; but the woman, being seduced, was in the transgression.
{2:15} Yet she shall be saved through child bearing; if she continue in faith and love and sanctification with sobriety
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Secondly, the perfect woman, Virgin Mary never claimed priesthood. So why do other women do it?
This is a very weak argument. The priesthood is a calling. Some have it, some lack it.

That Mary did not have a calling to the priesthood does not prove anything.
 
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It is entirely possible to be a Catholic feminist–many people are. It is also possible to be a Catholic in good standing and to struggle with a teaching of the Church. Struggle, however, is not the same as calling something “ridiculous,” which is never a persuasive or substantive reaction.

I agree that if (if!) the only ground for the Church position on women’s ordination was that “Mary wasn’t ordained,” then it would not be sufficient or persuasive. But it is not the only basis for the teaching.

Yes, some Church teachings have changed over time. But it isn’t going to be changed by this kind of dismissal.

If you really believe, as you said earlier, that " Like a lot of what the Church expects bus to believe, it’s nonsense," then one has to wonder why you are a Catholic–or, in the context of the original purpose of this thread, whether you are the best person for your “friend” to turn to in trying to understand what the Church is all about.
 
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