Genesis: Ham and Noah

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I was reading in Genesis the other day, and I came across a passage that I didn’t understand at all. Genesis 9:20-27 is the reference. Basically, Noah plants a vineyard, gets drunk, passes out naked in his tent, and Ham walks in on him. There isn’t much information on what else happens there… but I assume something happened because after Noah wakes up and finds out that Ham walked in on him, he responds very angrily. He even curses Ham. What did he do?
 
Sounds like a good question to me. I don’t read Genesis very much so I hadn’t really thought about this before, but it seems if this is how Noah behaves, and he was so righteous compared to others that he was the one to build the ark and survive the flood, I wonder what the others must have been like? :eek:

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I was reading in Genesis the other day, and I came across a passage that I didn’t understand at all. Genesis 9:20-27 is the reference. Basically, Noah plants a vineyard, gets drunk, passes out naked in his tent, and Ham walks in on him. There isn’t much information on what else happens there… but I assume something happened because after Noah wakes up and finds out that Ham walked in on him, he responds very angrily. He even curses Ham. What did he do?
D-R Bible, Haydock Commentary:

Ver. 20. A husbandman. Hebrew, literally “a man of the earth.” (Haydock) — To till, perhaps with a plough, which he is said to have invented. (Menochius)

Ver. 21. Drunk. Noe by the judgment of the fathers was not guilty of sin, in being overcome by wine; because he knew not the strength of it. (Challoner) — Wine, Though vines had grown from the beginning, the art of making wine seems not to have been discovered; and hence Noe’s fault is much extenuated, and was at most only a venial sin. (Menochius) — His nakedness prefigured the desolate condition of Christ upon the cross, which was a scandal to the Jews, and foolishness to the Gentiles. But by this folly we are made wise; we are redeemed, and enjoy the name of Christians. Sem and Japheth represent the multitude of believers, Cham and Chanaan the audacity and impudence of all unbelievers. (St. Augustine, contra Faust. xii. 24; City of God xvi. 2; St. Cyprian, ep. 63. ad Cæcil.) (Worthington) — Like the Manichees, modern heretics are very free in condemning many innocent actions of the Patriarchs. (Haydock)

Ver. 23. Neither ought we to be so quick-sighted in discovering the faults of any: which we often represent as real, when they are only apparent. (Haydock)

Ver. 25. Cursed be Chanaan. The curses, as well as the blessings, of the patriarchs were prophetical: and this in particular is here recorded by Moses, for the children of Israel, who were to possess the land of Chanaan. But why should Chanaan be cursed for his father’s fault? The Hebrews answer, that he being then a boy was the first that saw his grandfather’s nakedness, and told his father Cham of it; and joined with him in laughing at it: which drew upon him, rather than upon the rest of the children of Cham, this prophetical curse. (Challoner) — Theodoret, q. 57. The children of Sem executed this sentence, in exterminating many of the Chanaanites under Josue. (Worthington) — They perished for their own wickedness, which God foresaw, and revealed to Noe. Cham was severely punished by this denunciation of his children’s misery. See Milton, xi. 754. xii. 27; Deuteronomy ix. 4. (Haydock)

Ver. 27. Enlarge Japheth. His name signifies latitude or enlargement. (Worthington) — May he, God, according to some; but more probably Japheth, of whom the rest of the sentence speaks. (Haydock) — This was verified by the extensive dominion of the children of Japheth, both in the islands and on the continent; more particularly, when the Romans subdued the Jews, and posterity of Sem. (Menochius) — Referring all this to the Church, the Gentiles entered in, upon the refusal of the Jews, though preachers of that nation were the instruments of their conversion. Chanaan, in the mean time, cherished his slavery, and seeks not to obtain the liberty and glory of the sons of God, in which he is a figure of heretics, (Haydock) who serve to make Christians more upon their guard, and by persecuting them, exercise their patience and increase their crown. (Worthington)
 
I have read that the phrase “to look upon his fathers nakedness” is a Hebrew idiom for incest, that Ham committed maternal incest with his mother and the accursed fruit was Canaan.
 
I have read that the phrase “to look upon his fathers nakedness” is a Hebrew idiom for incest, that Ham committed maternal incest with his mother and the accursed fruit was Canaan.
👍 Correct, basically Ham either raped or had mutual incest with his mother:6"None of you shall approach any one of his close relatives to uncover nakedness. I am the LORD. 7 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father, which is the nakedness of your mother; she is your mother, you shall not uncover her nakedness. 8 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father’s wife; it is your father’s nakedness. Leviticus 18
This explains precisely why the next part of the Genesis story talks about a new baby (Cannan) coming around. This is why the child is ‘cursed’, because it’s an incest/illegitimate child.
 
I’ve also heard that this could have more to do with trying to take Noah’s authority rather than just a sexual interest.
 
I have read that the phrase “to look upon his fathers nakedness” is a Hebrew idiom for incest, that Ham committed maternal incest with his mother and the accursed fruit was Canaan.
I had heard that to “look upon his fathers nakedness” meant that he had sex with one of his father’s wives In a polygamous society, that could mean that he had sex with one of his father’s wives who was not his mother.

In the case of Noah and Ham, this certainly meant incest, as Noah only had one wife and she was the mother of Ham.

Catholic Dude’s reference to Leviticus was excellent.

-Tim-
 
Huh. I had actually heard stuff like that, but without the Leviticus reference, it didn’t make sense. Lowell mass–I’ve heard that also. I’ve heard that the cloth that the other two sons covered Noah with was passed down generations or something, and Ham was trying to steal it. And supposedly, that cloth was an indicator of power or something…
 
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