Getting away with mortal sin

[Mt19_26]

I’ve come across people that seem to believe they can get away with mortal sin. For example, they’ll knowingly commit a mortal sin thinking they’ll be fine until the next time they go to confession. My question is, does God allow a “lightning bolt” to strike someone dead, in the midst of being in the state of mortal sin, so to speak, whom believes they can sin and get away with it?

 

[JCPhoenix]

You seem to be referring to the sin of “presumption”…in other words, when people believe they can committ a sin and just go to confession.

Those who err this way amplify their sin and add another. God has not heard of “double jeopardy” as defined in our Constitution.

If you run into someone who comments about this (ie: don’t arbitrarily condemn them…let them bring the topic up), define presumption to them and help them understand that they will not be absolved.

The priest will act in good faith (unless he is like a priest I know who has the charism of reading hearts–he actually didn’t absolve me once but told me to come back). Anyway, the priest will act in good faith and absolve the penitent, however, God knows what is really in the heart of the person.

In order to be absolved, we have to be truly sorry for our sins and have a FIRM PURPOSE OF AMENDMENT. Now, if your friend is committing a mortal sin knowingly and does honestly feel sorry for it later, but had at the time of commission considered Confession as an “out”, then he/she needs to also confess the sin of presumption.

Hopefully that made sense. It is late and I should really be sleeping.

 

[Mt19_26]

JCPhoenix:

You seem to be referring to the sin of “presumption”…in other words, when people believe they can committ a sin and just go to confession.

Those who err this way amplify their sin and add another. God has not heard of “double jeopardy” as defined in our Constitution.

If you run into someone who comments about this (ie: don’t arbitrarily condemn them…let them bring the topic up), define presumption to them and help them understand that they will not be absolved.

The priest will act in good faith (unless he is like a priest I know who has the charism of reading hearts–he actually didn’t absolve me once but told me to come back). Anyway, the priest will act in good faith and absolve the penitent, however, God knows what is really in the heart of the person.

In order to be absolved, we have to be truly sorry for our sins and have a FIRM PURPOSE OF AMENDMENT. Now, if your friend is committing a mortal sin knowingly and does honestly feel sorry for it later, but had at the time of commission considered Confession as an “out”, then he/she needs to also confess the sin of presumption.

Hopefully that made sense. It is late and I should really be sleeping.

So if someone says “I know it’s wrong and against God’s Will but I’d do it anyway”. Is that a sin of presumption? The person who has said this is very close to me, actually my spouse, and it makes me feel as if her faith is weak. She has committed adultery and during the recovery period she had mentioned many times how she was sorry and remorseful and would never do it again. Yet, she did it again. I am now trying to recover again with her. However, I feel that she has the position, “I am only human”, and that if it happens again “oh well”. She has told me it will never happen again but when ever I show any sign of “reservation” or “insecurity” she gets really upset.

 

[JCPhoenix]

First of all please understand that the mercy of Jesus Christ is infinite, however he does ask us to take responsiblity for ourselves.

Consider yourself, and not someone else in the situation and apply this to yourself. You cant’ really know the heart of another, even your spouse.

If you were looking at another woman not your wife and had a lustful thought, and had a “blase” attitude towards sinning again, considering that you could go to confession and “erase” it, that would be presumption. Furthermore if you did not actually repent of it, and if you did not make an honest effort to avoid the sin in the future, then is that really repentance?

It sounds to me as though you and your wife need to attend counseling and recieve some healing in your marriage. If your wife is seeing company elsewhere the problem may lie entirely with her…but then again, it could have something to do with you as well.

Please find a counselor, and rather than looking for sin on behalf of your spouse, look for ways to heal the rift in your marriage. Find a holy priest for both of you to attend Confession and recieve some serious and real advice towards your own sins.

God bless you both as you suffer through this.

 

[catsrus]

I can only relate this to myself, not having the ability to read the hearts of others.
After confession of sin, even if I feel the urge to “do it again”, I think of having to confess the same again to God through my Priest. The shame of having to do so keeps me on the straight and narrow path. The Divine Mercy is too awesome a power to comtemplate spitting in the Face of It; which I see as the most supreme arrogance.

 

[ChristopherMich]

I honestly don’t know how you found the strength to continue your marriage. I commend you for that. And I agree, that you should find counsel for both you and your wife. God bless you on your path during your trials.