Getting involved to stop abortion

[bmmckinney]

I wanted to respond to this list…
*]Volunteer at a pregnancy crisis center

This is a reactive action not proactive, abortion won’t end because of volunteering.

*]Donate baby clothes, maternity clothes, baby shampoo, diapers, etc to a center

Reactive

*]join a prolife club… we not only help at crisis centers but we do these things too:

Prolife clubs have yet to embrace proven methods and unfortunately most of the older people involved with these groups are part of the “failed” prolife culture.

*]make and sell rosaries… all proceeds go to pregnancy center

Good idea but the Catholic Church won’t end abortion, reactive actions are good but not proactive.

*]March for Life every January

The March for Life is honestly a joke, no life has ever been saved by this event. The reason it is a joke is because those in charge have actively worked against effective reformers who are helping to end abortion. Until this march becomes what it should it will continue to be a “feel” good festival each year but in no way works toward ending abortion.

*]PRAY!
*]take in teen foster kids who are pregnant

I hope to do this but really adoption is a seperate issue and should be.

*]solicit stores to donate baby “goods” to a local pregnancy center

Good reactive project

*]pray at abortion clinics

Prayer is good BUT name me one injustice that has ever ended by prayer? God doesn’t work that way, we have free will for a reason.

*]counsel women outside of abortion clinics

I’ve done this, sure its good but if you don’t show these women the reality of abortion, you are basically wasting your time.

*]donate money

Donate to whom? No state right to life group or national right to life has any idea on how to end abortion, some of them work actively against proven reformers who have shown the only success in ending abortion. For those reformers the enemy of my enemy is my enemy unfortunately.

*]write letters, get involved politically … one of the biggest things that will change a mothers mind to keep her baby is getting to see an ultrasound of the baby!!! There is legislation we are fighting for that would require an ultrasound before you can have an abortion…

Politicians won’t end abortion until the people force them to. Just like with every other injustice in this country.

Ultrasounds are important but many women still have abortions after seeing this because it in no way dehumanizes abortion.

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My intention for responding wasn’t to upset anyone but to point out “facts.” People want to know what they can do to “end” abortion not just feel good about it. Want that information? Go to www.abortionNO.com.

 

[Philothea53]

We’ve talked about abortion for 35 years, only one group has figured out how to end it the right way, there are thousands of people working on ineffective ways to do it. You want to help? Watch this movie, it will change your life AND it will provide you the answer you are looking for:

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Bryan, I sent an email to the addy you gave me to get on the listserv. I haven’t heard anything - it’s been well over a week.

 

[BlestOne]

I wanted to respond to this list…
*]Volunteer at a pregnancy crisis center

This is a reactive action not proactive, abortion won’t end because of volunteering.
*]Donate baby clothes, maternity clothes, baby shampoo, diapers, etc to a center

Reactive
*]join a prolife club… we not only help at crisis centers but we do these things too:

Prolife clubs have yet to embrace proven methods and unfortunately most of the older people involved with these groups are part of the “failed” prolife culture.
*]make and sell rosaries… all proceeds go to pregnancy center

Good idea but the Catholic Church won’t end abortion, reactive actions are good but not proactive.
*]March for Life every January

The March for Life is honestly a joke, no life has ever been saved by this event. The reason it is a joke is because those in charge have actively worked against effective reformers who are helping to end abortion. Until this march becomes what it should it will continue to be a “feel” good festival each year but in no way works toward ending abortion.
*]PRAY!
*]take in teen foster kids who are pregnant

I hope to do this but really adoption is a seperate issue and should be.
*]solicit stores to donate baby “goods” to a local pregnancy center

Good reactive project
*]pray at abortion clinics

Prayer is good BUT name me one injustice that has ever ended by prayer? God doesn’t work that way, we have free will for a reason.
*]counsel women outside of abortion clinics

I’ve done this, sure its good but if you don’t show these women the reality of abortion, you are basically wasting your time.
*]donate money

Donate to whom? No state right to life group or national right to life has any idea on how to end abortion, some of them work actively against proven reformers who have shown the only success in ending abortion. For those reformers the enemy of my enemy is my enemy unfortunately.
*]write letters, get involved politically … one of the biggest things that will change a mothers mind to keep her baby is getting to see an ultrasound of the baby!!! There is legislation we are fighting for that would require an ultrasound before you can have an abortion…

Politicians won’t end abortion until the people force them to. Just like with every other injustice in this country.

Ultrasounds are important but many women still have abortions after seeing this because it in no way dehumanizes abortion.

.

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My intention for responding wasn’t to upset anyone but to point out “facts.” People want to know what they can do to “end” abortion not just feel good about it. Want that information? Go to www.abortionNO.com.

Actually, MOST women don’t have abortions after seeing a good 3D ultrasound… so there goes your last point. Also… the OP was asking what others have done… I just gave my list…your old people comment was inappropriate… especially since it was a high school group I was talking about. March for Life… is not a joke. It is a way to show our politicians how many of us do care about this issue. Oh… politicians DO need to know that most of us are against abortion too… And helping out a pregnant teen in foster care is NOT adoption. How about getting donations of clothes, baby needs and money to crisis centers… a girl is less likely to abort if she knows she can get help in all areas not just medical care. How is free medical going to clothe her and her baby? It isn’t, so making sure a pregnant woman has the “necessities” does help.

 

[bmmckinney]

The march is a joke because it doesn’t achieve anything and makes a lot of people believe that these people in charge of the march will end abortion when they haven’t done anything to do so infact abortion has gotten much worse on their watch, ever notice why they don’t talk about contraception at the march and avoid graphic imagery?

 

[catharina]

The march is a joke because it doesn’t achieve anything and makes a lot of people believe that these people in charge of the march will end abortion when they haven’t done anything to do so infact abortion has gotten much worse on their watch, ever notice why they don’t talk about contraception at the march and avoid graphic imagery?

Unless I’m mistaken, you are speaking for yourself and not for “a lot of people.” In addition (in a previous post) you might not have intended it, but your statements gave me the immediate impression that you are against prayer - or that you consider prayer to be an ineffective or futile activity. Almost certainly, that is not the impression that you want to convey. (?)

 

[Good_Daughter]

I think prayer gets you people like bmmckinney who are willing to dig deeper, think bigger and risk ruffling feathers to launch an effective attack against abortion. We can still pray without ceasing, volunteer at crisis pregnancy centres, join pro-life groups, bug our politicians and listen to bmmckinney. I know I’m listening.

 

[catharina]

I think prayer gets you people like bmmckinney who are willing to dig deeper, think bigger and risk ruffling feathers to launch an effective attack against abortion. We can still pray without ceasing, volunteer at crisis pregnancy centres, join pro-life groups, bug our politicians and listen to bmmckinney. I know I’m listening.

Prayer does bring in more workers to this field. However my statement regarding the worth or lack-thereof regarding prayer was in response to this statement:

"pray at abortion clinics

Prayer is good BUT name me one injustice that has ever ended by prayer? God doesn’t work that way, we have free will for a reason."

I can’t imagine disavowing the power of prayer alone in ending evil.

 

[Good_Daughter]

I can’t imagine disavowing the power of prayer alone in ending evil.

I can’t either, so I’m going to keep praying and I suggest you do the same. bmmckinney is not my spiritual advisor, but someone with a will to discover what really stops abortions.

Speaking as a Catholic, I think we need both spiritual ammunition and an intelligent practical approach to counter this urgent problem.

 

[catharina]

I can’t either, so I’m going to keep praying and I suggest you do the same. bmmckinney is not my spiritual advisor, but someone with a will to discover what really stops abortions.

Speaking as a Catholic, I think we need both spiritual ammunition and an intelligent practical approach to counter this urgent problem.

Yes, I plan to continue in every aspect of my pro-life work as I’ve done for more than 30 years. My point in quoting the statement that seemed to deride or negate the concept of prayer is this: when I read something like that I tend to lose interest in what the speaker has to say about the subject at hand.

There are many in this nation who are infirm; their ministry is prayer and prayer alone. To support a view that seems to regard prayer as an exercise with no good end is beyond me.

 

[Delphinus85]

Well one thing i have noticed is that a lot, if not, MOST prolife protesters are using things like “stop killing HIS children” or other themes pimping God-related arguements. I agree prayer is Good and we are fighting on behalf of natural law set down BY God, but that will do little to concince atheists and non-christians, and seems to do the opposite of helping the cause. It seems like they are just associating prolife with radical christianity and it’s no longer a political issue, but a religious one. I think we need to keep the prayer meetings out of the sight of abortion clinics and such if anything is to be done. Just as Jesus said in scriptures, and not to pray in public to be seen by men, but to do so in private so your reward is in heaven.

 

[Sheeniac]

Well one thing i have noticed is that a lot, if not, MOST prolife protesters are using things like “stop killing HIS children” or other themes pimping God-related arguements. I agree prayer is Good and we are fighting on behalf of natural law set down BY God, but that will do little to concince atheists and non-christians, and seems to do the opposite of helping the cause. It seems like they are just associating prolife with radical christianity and it’s no longer a political issue, but a religious one. I think we need to keep the prayer meetings out of the sight of abortion clinics and such if anything is to be done. Just as Jesus said in scriptures, and not to pray in public to be seen by men, but to do so in private so your reward is in heaven.

Delph,

The vast majority of people in this country are Christian, or Jewish, or Muslim, so arguing God doesn’t hurt us.

While certain messages don’t get across to everyone, I think it would be a mistake to ‘remove them from the scene’ as you appear to suggest. The more messages out there the better. The use of God’s name actually does impact people a lot. But others are moved by the image of a baby and facts about when fingerprints appear, etc.

There’s no need for an ‘either/or’, but rather both.

 

[catharina]

I’ve just finished reading the daily coverage of a PP “clinic” that was scheduled to open in Aurora IL (town outside Chicago) until concerned others, mostly RCs, took it to court. PP had applied for building/usage permits under another name; so neighbors are objecting based in claims of fraud. Article also mentioned similar situation starting up in Denver; in that case PP has claimed the building site under its own name, thanks to the protest efforts in Chicago. Opponents of the construction in Denver (a range of pastors, RC and other) have announced their intent to protest at the homes of exceutive officers at the construction companies. It seems that public shaming might have an effect. All reports state that PP was stunned at the level of outrage in Aurora and it’s equally concerned about planned protests in the Denver area.

chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-clinic_websep18,0,4319750.story?coll=chi_tab01_layout

 

[Sheeniac]

Since you wanted suggestions, I will give you a list of some of the things we have participated in…

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   *]Donate baby clothes, maternity clothes, baby shampoo, diapers, etc to a center

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   BlestOne - Based on your suggestion above, I went on to ebay last night and bid on a couple of lots of baby clothing. Since I don’t go to garage sales, I decided this would be a good thing to do periodically.
   
   Thank you for your suggestion. I think many lower-income people weigh the practicalities of babies as a reason to not have one - if they can’t afford to clothe the little one, they feel like they cannot give a good life. By knowing that help is out there, it makes it easier to choose life.

 

[catharina]

BlestOne - Based on your suggestion above, I went on to ebay last night and bid on a couple of lots of baby clothing. Since I don’t go to garage sales, I decided this would be a good thing to do periodically.

Thank you for your suggestion. I think many lower-income people weigh the practicalities of babies as a reason to not have one - if they can’t afford to clothe the little one, they feel like they cannot give a good life. By knowing that help is out there, it makes it easier to choose life.

What a wonderful idea! Good for you.

(Also, the need for diapers in endless.)

 

[Good_Daughter]

Yes, I plan to continue in every aspect of my pro-life work as I’ve done for more than 30 years. My point in quoting the statement that seemed to deride or negate the concept of prayer is this: when I read something like that I tend to lose interest in what the speaker has to say about the subject at hand.

There are many in this nation who are infirm; their ministry is prayer and prayer alone. To support a view that seems to regard prayer as an exercise with no good end is beyond me.

30 years? What a blessing you are!

I think what bmmckinney might be saying is that we’ve been praying for decades and abortions are still being performed. Of course our prayers are meritous but while babies are dying, we’re called to extend ourselves even further. I say we need to pray more and lead holier lives. I’m also willing to listen to anyone, Catholic, Hindu, athiest or otherwise with effective ideas for ending abortion.

I know firsthand the tremendous prayer power of the infirm. I didn’t mean to imply that all individuals need to work to support pro-life but that “ora et labora” (pray and work) makes a good motto for pro-lifers collectively.

 

[catharina]

30 years? What a blessing you are!

I think what bmmckinney might be saying is that we’ve been praying for decades and abortions are still being performed. Of course our prayers are meritous but while babies are dying, we’re called to extend ourselves even further. I say we need to pray more and lead holier lives. **I’m also willing to listen to anyone, Catholic, Hindu, athiest or otherwise with effective ideas for ending abortion. **
I know firsthand the tremendous prayer power of the infirm. I didn’t mean to imply that all individuals need to work to support pro-life but that “ora et labora” (pray and work) makes a good motto for pro-lifers collectively.

Yes, many meet up to combat the laws that allow for abortion. However, I think that we need to be very careful so that we are not carried away by enthusiasm into making statements that could be construed as extremely offensive by some who are working in the very same vineyard. I can’t imagine any cause that can be helped by a statement diminishing the power of prayer.

 

[DebChris]

30 years? What a blessing you are!

I think what bmmckinney might be saying is that we’ve been praying for decades and abortions are still being performed. Of course our prayers are meritous but while babies are dying, we’re called to extend ourselves even further. I say we need to pray more and lead holier lives. I’m also willing to listen to anyone, Catholic, Hindu, athiest or otherwise with effective ideas for ending abortion.

I know firsthand the tremendous prayer power of the infirm. I didn’t mean to imply that all individuals need to work to support pro-life but that “ora et labora” (pray and work) makes a good motto for pro-lifers collectively.

Many other religions are also against aborticide. To end a life in the womb (for Buddhists) is to terminate succeeding generations, not merely the life that was taken.
When I talk about bringing legalized aborticide to an end, I focus on American values expressed in the Bill of Right. Americans talk a lot about being free to do what we want. Liberty is an accepted American value. When life is denied, liberty is threatened.

Congress has not used it checks and balances against the Supreme Court decision made in Roe v. Wade. I continue to write to my representatives for passage of the following amendment to the constitution:
“Recognizing that without life there is no liberty, every reasonable effort shall be made to protect the life and dignity of the individual beginning at conception.”
This amendment takes into account less than black and white situations such as Triage and hostage cases.

 

[BlestOne]

BlestOne - Based on your suggestion above, I went on to ebay last night and bid on a couple of lots of baby clothing. Since I don’t go to garage sales, I decided this would be a good thing to do periodically.

Thank you for your suggestion. I think many lower-income people weigh the practicalities of babies as a reason to not have one - if they can’t afford to clothe the little one, they feel like they cannot give a good life. By knowing that help is out there, it makes it easier to choose life.

God Bless you!!! You have just made my day… seriously! I felt so personally attacked by another poster for that post… you made it all worth it!!! Thank you for thinking of others!