Getting worn down by my mother repeatedly violating boundaries again

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For your information: Some forms of mental illness and personality disorders have a sort of built-in physiological sense of denial. Your mother, while she may be able to plot, connive, manipulate, etc. may NOT realize that SHE is the problem. She may see you or your husband as the problem. Which MIGHT or MIGHT NOT be okay.

I know you have a family and a busy life but try to get as much support from good Catholics professionals on mental illness issues. Many mental health pros know appropriate strategies and boundary-setting for each specific diagnosis. If she hasn’t been diagnosed, sometimes just listing the behaviors to someone who knows diagnoses might at least give you a general idea of what goes on in that person’s interior life (how to approach in a crisis, whether they can do harm to themselves or others, whether any direct intervention can be a good or bad thing)

The more you learn about your mother and her behaviors, the better you can detach and protect yourself and your family appropriately. If you can include other family members, then all the better. A unified front can be very helpful and healthful for all involved. I don’t have as much actual family support but I have attended some good family support groups for mental illness like NAMI where you can get some good advice on how to deal with the affected family member as well as taking care of yourself.

I don’t ignore prayer-it’s very important, especially with mental health issues, but I do believe knowledge is power. Knowing whether my parent, relative, or friend is bi-polar or schizophrenic or narcissistic, or anxious or post-traumatic or OCD or a combination of those things helps me to know better how NOT to trigger her, and thus, deal with a crazy or dangerous fallout. A one-size-fits-all shutout of your mother MIGHT be the solution; or it MIGHT not, depending on her problem.

Also, as someone who had a mentally sick family member and then raised that person’s child who also became bi-polar, I have come to learn the importance of creating a more mentally healthful household for kids. For example, early intervention, nutrition, good limit setting can make a difference for a young person…

And those of us who live around the mentally ill need lots of rest and recovery ourselves. This can be very similar to the issues of children of alcoholic parents.

This is difficult stuff. I hope I haven’t overloaded you here but learning about mental illness and appropriate ways of dealing with afflicted family members has helped me get calmer as I learn how to effectively interact or not.

God bless you, Christ be with you, and may the Holy Spirit guide you in doing what is best.
 
Do you have skype?

Do your inlaws have skype?

It’s an alternative to Facebook. I used it all the time when I was deployed to get in touch with family and friends.

You could potentially look into skype with the inlaws and rid yourself of Facebook otherwise.
 
You can block people on facebook to keep them away completely. She won’t even be able to see you or your activity. Don’t just unfriend her, block her.

If you find out when she’s coming to town, pack up the fam and go to a hotel for a few days. She’ll never find you then. Sucks to have to run to avoid her, but it would work.
 
… it is just more of the same manipulative behavior.
first, be very very clear and repetitious with yourself: **nothing in her behavior is new, here. **
… in this vulnerable post-partum time, I am very emotional and confused about how to handle the increased efforts she is making to contact me. I am struggling with self-doubt to a ridiculous degree, …“forgetfulness” and self-blame have always been my coping mechanisms, which is exactly how she trained me to be so that I would always come back and be the one to apologize…
the only thing changed is that you’re currently more vulnerable. *** which is why she is back. ***
  1. check into restraining order. if it’s an option, get one.
  2. change garage code and update the door locks.
  3. if you feel threatened by her access to your social media activity, update everything or close it down
  4. create a non-panic panic room. which room is down? or up? and farthest from the door? and has shades? stash a TV set, cell phone, snacks and water. and diapers. and a few toys. and rosary beads. and holy water. it may take a while for her to stop banging at your door or for the cops and/ or husband to arrive-- you’ll need to not feel cornered or stranded.
  5. prayer and priest. yes.
 
…but just having to anticipate that she will attempt it despite my opting out is enough for me to feel physically ill…
That’s gotta go; you’re on pins & needles waiting for her almighty (sarcasm) shoe to drop.
Your Mom knows you can’t stand your ground with her. Someday you will be able to though. I know it. For one thing, you’re a Mom, which means little ones are counting on you, and that changes everything. But for now, have the DH remind MIL don’t waste her time and money coming to your home because she’s still not welcome. She won’t be able to get in with the key you gave her or the keypad code because that’s all been changed. It will be nothing more than a lesson in futility. And don’t bother yelling threats through the door because the recorder will be rolling. In this way you keep communicating with what you do that what you & your hubby say, stands for your family.

About the facebook, phone calls, and so on, if you look into it, you may find, to your surprise, that certain repetitive, upsetting, behaviors cross over the lines with the laws in your state describing harassment.

You’re already grieving not having motherly relationship with your mom and probably the grandma for your children, and I’m sorry for that. She may change somewhere down the road. She might not, so don’t hold your breath. Help her when you can, even if it has to be from a distance. In the meantime, I pray for you for healing and strength so that you can take good care of and enjoy your DH and the kiddos. 🙂
 
I am sorry this is happening to you mommaree. It sounds like everything you did has been working until now as far as your own baoundaries.

Nothing should change for your boundaries if she comes knocking at the door though. Cange the locks or codes to be sure. Make sure your door is locked at all times so she can’t just walk in, but I would not even answer the door if you are there without your husband. If she bangs on the door and keeps ringing the doorbell, call the police. If your husband is there, he should just tell her that she knows she is no longer welcome at your house and that she knows why, and if she does not leave, he have no choice but to call the police. And then follow through with it. If and when the police come, then you go for the restraining order.

I don’t have facebook, but I do know that as someone else said, you can block her. I would also change my info and make sure that any security questions are not ones she would know the answers to, even if you need to make up strange answers so she could never hack into your account and change the settings.

God bless you and the new baby!
 
First - congratulations on the new baby!

You have received some excellent advice from the other CAF posters. I can relate so much to what you have said - my mother displays many of the same behaviors. I tried to cut her out completely about a year ago, but my grandparents moved in with her and in order to see them, I had to tolerate being in the same room as her. My grandfather passed away in December and she chased me, my husband, and my children out of the funeral. She posted on FB that people who still wanted to be my friend should just go ahead and unfriend her. It was disgusting… One family member did cut me out, but if that was the price of admission to peace, so be it! In the months since then, I have been doing so much better. She has tried to contact me via my sister, and tried to manipulate my sister into bringing my children to her house. I stood firm. It’s hard to believe I have finally found the strength to hold my ground. She is blaming my husband for my behavior (because hubby taught me that I don’t have to put up with the abuse).

The reason I’m sharing is so that you know that you are not alone. I have spoken to a therapist, and she suggested a mental illness. Narcissistic Personality Disorder is one that rings so true, as well as Borderline Personality Disorder. Someone on this forum recommended parrishmiller.com/narcissists.html to me some time ago… It was a lifesaver. I’ve also read “Will I Ever Be Good Enough” and “Toxic Parents” and “Children of the Self-Absorbed”. There’s a bit of conflicting advice between them (suggestions of keeping the relationship superficial vs confronting the behavior), but overall the reading helped me feel less abnormal.

I learned how to block on FB - it causes a few quirks if you have friends in common (you might see “3 comments”, but you can only see one of them if the other two were posted by her), but easy enough to overlook.

Also, I struggled with “honor thy parents” and talked to my priest about it. The message he gave me was that when I married my husband, I became one with him, and, having met and interacted with my mother, he told me to RUN. He could tell, just by a few interactions, how manipulative and negative she was, especially towards me. He said that I do honor her by recognizing that she gave birth to me, and by praying for her.

Another poster mentioned that your mother might not realize that SHE is the problem. That could ABSOLUTELY be accurate. My mother pulled a stunt with me and when I told her I was still upset, she yelled at me and told me to stay away from her, then hung up on me. I was six months pregnant at the time. When she decided that enough time had passed :confused: she showed up at me door and pretended that nothing had happened. When I asked for an apology, she said she was sorry for caring so much. It was disgusting! Another time she said that I was screwing up my non-speaking son by teaching him sign language. When I called her out on it, she said “I only said it once” instead of apologizing. Trust me when I say that my mother could not see that she was the problem in those situations. I’m not saying I’m 100% innocent in the drama, just that I’m willing to own my part. I did offer to get counselling, but she cried poor, and then told me she was going on vacation for two weeks this year because her husband received an inheritance and they were feeling flush.

Sorry to go on about my self. I hope if nothing else, you feel less alone 😊

Please know that people here on CAF are wonderful and supportive. You are not alone! Peace will come in time, with lots of prayer. Trust God, that he will show you the way. Trust the instincts He gave you. Change the locks, lean on your husband for support (he sounds wonderful), and relax. I also suggest journalling some of the most awful things that she has done. I mean, sit in quiet for 10 minutes and just think about some specific situations, and write them down. That exercise really helped me to remember why I was cutting my mother out (although she helped by posting on FB that she didn’t want any common friends). Your mother might never stop trying to contact you - one day that thought will stop scaring you.

(((Big hugs)))

Charla
 
What can I do about this? It is a very real possibility that in a few weeks, she will show up on my doorstep uninvited from a cross-country trip, expecting to be allowed back into our house and our lives. I don’t want to wilt under the pressure, and I don’t want to lose my substantial gains in emotional wellbeing that I have made since beginning my sabbatical from her. Also, my husband has forbidden her from being here, and from contact with the kids, as a safeguard against her manipulating me into allowing her back into our lives.
I am thinking that I should change the key code for the garage. Also, I am wondering what I should do if she shows up while we are home (very likely). And I am not sure what to do about her attempts to contact me through letters, texts, and calls. And I am not sure what to do about her having access to me via Facebook.
Please, if you have any experience with abusive parents or people with personality disorders, kindly share your thoughts on what I can do or how I can handle this. I would especially appreciate any thoughts on how to deal with this emotionally and spiritually, as well.
  1. Yes, change the garage key code. And then change it again if a visit seems imminent.
  2. If she shows up while you are at home – if your husband is home, let him deal with her; he seems to be totally supportive of you in this. If he is not home, don’t answer the door and call your husband.
  3. Continue to ignore the letters/texts/calls.
  4. Change your Facebook settings to make them more secure again, unfriend her again, and then check the FB security settings frequently.
Just keep in mind how far you’ve come since establishing your boundaries. Pray for her, but don’t give in and lose all the progress you’ve made. Remember – you are protecting your children, don’t ever lose sight of that.
 
My sister-in-law has had some difficulties with her mother and it sounds like it is a similar though much less severe situation.

Would you husband be comfortable stepping in? That’s what my brother finally did.

Perhaps he could head it off by contacting her and explaining that you know she might be coming to the area and that if she does, she should NOT expect to spend any time with you or your family. He can tell her point blank “Do NOT come to our home.”

Maybe he could also address her constant attempts to contact you and ask that she stop that as well.

Congratulations on your new baby.

Good luck.
 
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