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There is a Gloria that has a lot of clapping. The children love it. Should it be used. Is there a source for its use?

It is sung as Glolia, (clap clap) Gloria(clap clap) Gloria in Ecelisius(sp).
 
That particular song is sometimes used at Mass in place of the Gloria, but it should not be used as such. Sung Mass parts must follow the approved text of the prayer, and this version paraphrases the text of the Gloria, but does not the follow the actual text. This is simply a dreadful piece of 1970’s-style popular music that bears no resemblance, musically or textually, to any sort of sacred music that the Church and Vatican II call for. Why should we give our children the worst music we have to offer instead of showing them our very best?
 
adrift said:
There is a Gloria that has a lot of clapping. The children love it. Should it be used. Is there a source for its use?

It is sung as Glolia, (clap clap) Gloria(clap clap) Gloria in Ecelisius(sp).
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I think I know which Gloria you are talking about…not to sound rude, but if you use it at a church, please make sure it isn’t mine.
 
m134e5 said:
I think I know which Gloria you are talking about…not to sound rude, but if you use it at a church, please make sure it isn’t mine.
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I don’t want it at mine either. I am looking for information that it doesn’t belong
Sung Mass parts must follow the approved text of the prayer, and this version paraphrases the text of the Gloria, but does not the follow the actual text. This is simply a dreadful piece of 1970’s-style popular music that bears no resemblance, musically or textually, to any sort of sacred music that the Church and Vatican II call for. Why should we give our children the worst music we have to offer instead of showing them our very best?
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Where would I find that Mass must follow approved text and that this wouldn’t be an approved text.

What I was told that it was apporved because it was in their book approved by the Bishop.
 
adrift said:
There is a Gloria that has a lot of clapping. The children love it. Should it be used. Is there a source for its use?

It is sung as Glolia, (clap clap) Gloria(clap clap) Gloria in Ecelisius(sp).
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Why not? What specific Gloria are you referring to? Are the words (translation) a problem, or just the alleged clapping?
 
adrift said:
I don’t want it at mine either. I am looking for information that it doesn’t belong

Where would I find that Mass must follow approved text and that this wouldn’t be an approved text.

What I was told that it was apporved because it was in their book approved by the Bishop.
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Here is what the GIRM says regarding the Gloria:
  1. The Gloria is a very ancient and venerable hymn in which the Church, gathered together in the Holy Spirit, glorifies and entreats God the Father and the Lamb. **The text of this hymn may not be replaced by any other text. **The Gloria is intoned by the priest or, if appropriate, by a cantor or by the choir; but it is sung either by everyone together, or by the people alternately with the choir, or by the choir alone. If not sung, it is to be recited either by all together or by two parts of the congregation responding one to the other.
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It is sung or said on Sundays outside the Seasons of Advent and Lent, on solemnities and feasts, and at special celebrations of a more solemn character.
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adrift said:
There is a Gloria that has a lot of clapping. The children love it. Should it be used. Is there a source for its use?

It is sung as Glolia, (clap clap) Gloria(clap clap) Gloria in Ecelisius(sp).
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I was given to understand that clapping is forbidden during Mass.
 
adrift said:
There is a Gloria that has a lot of clapping. The children love it. Should it be used. Is there a source for its use?

It is sung as Glolia, (clap clap) Gloria(clap clap) Gloria in Ecelisius(sp).
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  1. To promote active participation, the people should be encouraged to take part by means of acclamations, responses, psalmody, antiphons, and songs, as well as by actions, gestures, and bodily attitudes. And at the proper times all should observe a reverent silence.
    vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19631204_sacrosanctum-concilium_en.html
  2. … As far as possible, notable differences between the rites used in adjacent regions must be carefully avoided.
Imho it is allowed where the regional conference of bishops allowed it (e.g. in Africa)
 
I changed parishes to get away from that particular Gloria. They were getting too pentacostal for me
 
laszlo said:
  1. To promote active participation, the people should be encouraged to take part by means of acclamations, responses, psalmody, antiphons, and songs, as well as by actions, gestures, and bodily attitudes. And at the proper times all should observe a reverent silence.
    vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19631204_sacrosanctum-concilium_en.html
  2. … As far as possible, notable differences between the rites used in adjacent regions must be carefully avoided.
Imho it is allowed where the regional conference of bishops allowed it (e.g. in Africa)
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Here is what the GIRM says regarding the Gloria:
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53. The Gloria is a very ancient and venerable hymn in which the Church, gathered together in the Holy Spirit, glorifies and entreats God the Father and the Lamb. The text of this hymn may not be replaced by any other text. The Gloria is intoned by the priest or, if appropriate, by a cantor or by the choir; but it is sung either by everyone together, or by the people alternately with the choir, or by the choir alone. If not sung, it is to be recited either by all together or by two parts of the congregation responding one to the other.
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It is sung or said on Sundays outside the Seasons of Advent and Lent, on solemnities and feasts, and at special celebrations of a more solemn character.
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That gloria provokes so much embarrassment - it’s unreal. I have to shut my eyes and try desperately hard not to laugh …,or cry :
 
adrift said:
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One does not contradict the other, one needs to be interpreted based on the other. The problem with the Mike Anderson Gloria is that it takes liberties with the text – that’s a no-no.
 
Phemie said:
One does not contradict the other, one needs to be interpreted based on the other. The problem with the Mike Anderson Gloria is that it takes liberties with the text – that’s a no-no.
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Our parish sings the Catholic Gloria every Sunday evening youth Mass & most do clap after each Gloria. The wife and I do not!

But our bishop visited a few weeks ago & he and the parish priest DID clap right along with the kids & all who did.😦
 
I know the one you mean and it’s a travesty, even by the lamentable standards of modern Gloria settings. My kingdom for a composer who understands that “joyful” doesn’t mean “bouncy”! The appropriate tone for a Gloria is *All Creatures of our God and King/]i, not the Teletubbies theme.
thistle said:
I was given to understand that clapping is forbidden during Mass.
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MarkThompson said:
I’m afraid you were misinformed.
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It may not be forbidden by liturgical law, but appropriate applause aside, it is certainly forbidden by good taste and due reverence.
Phemie said:
The problem with the Mike Anderson Gloria is that it takes liberties with the text – that’s a no-no.
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Well, that’s one problem. That it’s absolutely awful is another. If a Mass I was attending used it, I’d leave; why do we defile the king’s throne room with this garbage?*
 
SimonDodd said:
It may not be forbidden by liturgical law, but appropriate applause aside, it is certainly forbidden by good taste and due reverence.
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The difficulty is that what is one person’s fine taste is another person’s halitosis. There are people who like it (and I am not included in that number) and may well not like what is your favorite. Unless and until something comes from Rome which sets specific standards, it and other Glorias we may not care for will probably be used.

Then there is always what my sainted grandmother would say: “Offer it up!”
 
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