God and His Spirit in Genesis 1:1-2

[MarcoPG]

Hello,
I would like to know your opinions about the first 2 verses of Genesis, Where God creates and the Spirit of God is quietly resting on the waters

IN the beginning God created heaven, and earth. 2 And the earth was void and empty, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the spirit of God moved over the waters. ((… 3 And God said: Be light made. And light was made… ))

As Christians, may this be a first appearence of 2 Persons of God? Or is it like “a great wind” in hebrew and should be only seen as such.

What is the Jewish point of view? Because for me, As in the Gospel, “The Word was with Godand the Word was God”, The Spirit of God was with God, and was God.

SInce Yahweh is One, why is it said that His Spirit was “elsewhere” or “outside” of him (and I know it is not really the case, because there was nothing, but in the text, God and His Spirit are 2).

Thank you for your thoughts!

 

[PNEUMA]

Hello,
I would like to know your opinions about the first 2 verses of Genesis, Where God creates and the Spirit of God is quietly resting on the waters

IN the beginning God created heaven, and earth. 2 And the earth was void and empty, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the spirit of God moved over the waters. ((… 3 And God said: Be light made. And light was made… ))

As Christians, may this be a first appearence of 2 Persons of God? Or is it like “a great wind” in hebrew and should be only seen as such.

What is the Jewish point of view? Because for me, As in the Gospel, “The Word was with Godand the Word was God”, The Spirit of God was with God, and was God.

SInce Yahweh is One, why is it said that His Spirit was “elsewhere” or “outside” of him (and I know it is not really the case, because there was nothing, but in the text, God and His Spirit are 2).

Thank you for your thoughts!

God’s breath “moved over the waters” as he spoke the creative words.

 

[Gorgias]

As Christians, may this be a first appearence of 2 Persons of God? Or is it like “a great wind” in hebrew and should be only seen as such.

Notice, though, the description of the Pentecost event – it was a sound like a “mighty wind” there, and we know that it was the Spirit that came down on the apostles and the Church that day!

So, yes – I would say that we definitely see the Father and the Spirit in Genesis 1. Moreover, when viewed in conjunction with John 1 (“In the beginning was the Word… He was in the beginning with God, and all things were made through Him”), we see that the Holy Trinity was present in its entirety at the Creation!

 

[MarcoPG]

Notice, though, the description of the Pentecost event – it was a sound like a “mighty wind” there, and we know that it was the Spirit that came down on the apostles and the Church that day!

So, yes – I would say that we definitely see the Father and the Spirit in Genesis 1. Moreover, when viewed in conjunction with John 1 (“In the beginning was the Word… He was in the beginning with God, and all things were made through Him”), we see that the Holy Trinity was present in its entirety at the Creation!

This I won’t doubt.

For a jewish person, what could this mean, that the Spirit “was there with God”?

 

[Neofight]

SInce Yahweh is One, why is it said that His Spirit was “elsewhere” or “outside” of him (and I know it is not really the case, because there was nothing, but in the text, God and His Spirit are 2).

/QUOTE]

“Yahweh” was not used in Genesis 1 for God, but “Elohim”, which grammatically can be either plural or singular, so when Elohim was mentioned, it has long been argued that all persons of the Holy Trinity were included…and later, we get another sense that this is so, when in Genesis 1:26 we read, “Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness;…” (“us” indicating the Trinity).

Peace and all good!

 

[Beryllos]

Hello,
I would like to know your opinions about the first 2 verses of Genesis, Where God creates and the Spirit of God is quietly resting on the waters

It didn’t occur to me that the Spirit might have rested on the waters. I think of moving over the waters as blessing, caressing, stirring, maybe preparing the waters.

 

[MarcoPG]

MarcoPG;12123573:

SInce Yahweh is One, why is it said that His Spirit was “elsewhere” or “outside” of him (and I know it is not really the case, because there was nothing, but in the text, God and His Spirit are 2).

/QUOTE]

“Yahweh” was not used in Genesis 1 for God, but “Elohim”, which grammatically can be either plural or singular, so when Elohim was mentioned, it has long been argued that all persons of the Holy Trinity were included…and later, we get another sense that this is so, when in Genesis 1:26 we read, “Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness;…” (“us” indicating the Trinity).

Peace and all good!

I said Yahweh to talk about God the Faher. I wanted to point out that In the beginning, God …] and the Spirit of God …] as being already 2 Persons, and how could Judaism see that other than a great wind, and not a second Person in God.

 

[Neofight]

Neofight;12123859:

I said Yahweh to talk about God the Faher. I wanted to point out that In the beginning, God …] and the Spirit of God …] as being already 2 Persons, and how could Judaism see that other than a great wind, and not a second Person in God.

How? They couldn’t, nor did they need to. What they wrote was guided by the Holy Spirit, and would not become apparent until God further revealed His intentions…it’s obvious to us thousands of years later, but they didn’t have the data to even consider a Holy Trinity.

Peace and all good!

 

[MarcoPG]

MarcoPG;12124032:

How? They couldn’t, nor did they need to. What they wrote was guided by the Holy Spirit, and would not become apparent until God further revealed His intentions…it’s obvious to us thousands of years later, but they didn’t have the data to even consider a Holy Trinity.

Peace and all good!

Precisely. Since they did not understand thee way we do, how do they interpret this? I don’t see any other possibility than a great wind.

 

[Gorgias]

Neofight;12124084:

Precisely. Since they did not understand thee way we do, how do they interpret this? I don’t see any other possibility than a great wind.

Except that the word for ‘wind’ is ru’ahk – that is, ‘spirit’ (or ‘wind’). So, whereas the notion of ‘The Holy Spirit, the Third Person of God’ wouldn’t be something that they would be thinking about, the notion of ‘the spirit of God’ would be.

 

[Neofight]

MarcoPG;12124094:

Except that the word for ‘wind’ is ru’ahk

– that is, ‘spirit’ (or ‘wind’). So, whereas the notion of ‘The Holy Spirit, the Third Person of God’ wouldn’t be something that they would be thinking about, the notion of ‘the spirit of God’ would be.

That was my point, they weren’t aware of the significance of what they were guided to write at the time.

 

[MarcoPG]

MarcoPG;12124094:

Except that the word for ‘wind’ is ru’ahk

– that is, ‘spirit’ (or ‘wind’). So, whereas the notion of ‘The Holy Spirit, the Third Person of God’ wouldn’t be something that they would be thinking about, the notion of ‘the spirit of God’ would be.

I will try to clarify my point then. Here is a translation from a jewish Torah

1:2. the earth being unformed and void, with darkness over the surface of the deep and a wind from God sweeping over the water.

My question is: since it is translated sometimes Spirit of God and other times wind or wind from God, what would be their (from the Jews) interpretation for this “breath of God” clearly out of Himself? We don’t see here God breathing, like he did to give life to Adam.