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I would like to say as a Baha’i that I really like this new Pope Francis, I find Him very refreshing and lets hope the world does as well and that all sit back and take in the advice given.

These talks posted by a Catholic Friend on another Forum

From the interview: catholicnewsagency.com/news/full-text-of-popes-in-flight-interview-from-africa-to-rome-48855/

Pope Francis: Fundamentalism is a sickness that exists in all religions. We Catholics have some, not just some, so many, who believe they have the absolute truth and they move forward with calumnies, with defamation and they hurt (people), they hurt. And, I say this because it’s my Church, also us, all of us. It must be combatted. Religious fundamentalism isn’t religious. Why? Because God is lacking. It’s idolatrous, as money is idolatrous. Making politics in the sense of convincing these people who have this tendency is a politics that we religious leaders must make, but fundamentalism that ends up always in tragedy or in crime, in a bad thing comes about in all religions a little bit.

Delia Gallagher, CNN: You’ve made many gestures of respect toward Muslims. I was wondering, what does Islam and the teaching of the prophet Mohammed have to say to the world today?

Pope Francis: They have virtues, many virtues and these virtues are constructive. I also have the experience of friendship – it’s a strong word, friendship – with a Muslim, a world leader, we can talk, and he had his beliefs and I had mine, he prayed and I prayed. (There are) many values, prayer for example, fasting, religious values. Also other virtues…We can’t cancel out a religious because there are some, or even many fundamentalist groups at a certain point in history. It’s true, wars between religions have always been there throughout history, always. We also need to ask for forgiveness, Catherine de’Medici was no saint, and that 30 years war, that night of St. Bartholomew, we must also ask for forgiveness from the fundamentalist extremists in the religious wars.

But they have virtues, one can dialogue with them. Today I was at a mosque, an Imam prayed with me, he wanted to go around the small stadium with me in the popemobile, where there were many who couldn’t enter, and in the popemobile there was the Pope and an Imam. It was possible to speak. As everywhere, there are people with religious values, there are people who don’t…how many wars, not only religious, wars we Christians have made. It wasn’t the Muslims who did the Sack of Rome. They have virtues.

Great advice, love it!

Regards Tony
 
Lovely to see someone saying they are learning something from him.
Quite refreshing and most appreciated. Thank you.
 
I have to admit I was confused by what Pope Francis said, mainly because he doesn’t give a clear definition of what fundamentalism is in relation to Catholicism. Unfortunately there are many who confuse orthodoxy for fundamentalism; I am assuming that Pope Francis is not talking about orthodoxy. I know in Protestant circles fundamentalism usually infers something along the lines of a belief in a literal 6 day creation and a 6000 year old earth, and in muslim circles fundamentalism usually entails some form of sharia law. What does fundamentalism entail in Catholicism? I don’t see a lot of violence committed today in the name of the Catholic faith. And I haven’t heard of any creation museums being opened under the supervision of the holy see.
 
I have to admit I was confused by what Pope Francis said, mainly because he doesn’t give a clear definition of what fundamentalism is in relation to Catholicism. Unfortunately there are many who confuse orthodoxy for fundamentalism; I am assuming that Pope Francis is not talking about orthodoxy
Keep in mind the Pope said “he has his beliefs and I have mine” (in reference to the Muslim Imam) so he’s not talking about orthodoxy. The Pope is Catholic as he can be.

MJ
 
^^ I quite agree, orthodoxy and fundamentalism are not the same.
 
Interesting quote from Pope Francis:

“We Catholics have some, not just some, so many, who believe they have the absolute truth and they move forward with calumnies, with defamation and they hurt (people), they hurt. And, I say this because it’s my Church, also us, all of us.”

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Interesting quote from Pope Francis:

“We Catholics have some, not just some, so many, who believe they have the absolute truth and they move forward with calumnies, with defamation and they hurt (people), they hurt. And, I say this because it’s my Church, also us, all of us.”.
interesting quote. I have often reflected to myself that many Catholics seem to think that they are just as infallible as the Pope is.
 
I have to admit I was confused by what Pope Francis said, mainly because he doesn’t give a clear definition of what fundamentalism is in relation to Catholicism. Unfortunately there are many who confuse orthodoxy for fundamentalism; I am assuming that Pope Francis is not talking about orthodoxy. I know in Protestant circles fundamentalism usually infers something along the lines of a belief in a literal 6 day creation and a 6000 year old earth, and in muslim circles fundamentalism usually entails some form of sharia law. What does fundamentalism entail in Catholicism? I don’t see a lot of violence committed today in the name of the Catholic faith. And I haven’t heard of any creation museums being opened under the supervision of the holy see.
I’m guessing SSPX and all those who want pre-vatican II back are fundamentalists in our eyes but ask them and they will tell you that they are orthodox. It all boils down to obedience.
 
I’m guessing SSPX and all those who want pre-vatican II back are fundamentalists in our eyes but ask them and they will tell you that they are orthodox…
… and that those who don’t think like they do aren’t orthodox.
 
Now that is truly insightful for me. Thanks!
Thanks Wannano, et al. I’m glad to see your on this thread, BC I didn’t feel entirely qualified to answer your question on the other thread about what “traditionalist” Catholicism is. :cool:
 
I was just looking at this blog post wdtprs.com/blog/2013/08/hey-you-who-do-you-think-you-are/ .

I don’t know how many people here are fans of it, but regardless it has a remarkable collection of different adjectives for Catholics, including:
  • traditionalists
  • neocons
  • cafeteria Catholics
  • “Cafeteria Traditionalist”
  • progressive modernists.
  • “loyal dissenter”/cafeteria Catholic/progressive/reformist
and possibly many many others – I didn’t feel like combing through every line.

“Fundamentalist Catholic” doesn’t appear anywhere, which is fair I think: I wouldn’t expect a traditionalist Catholic to use the term “fundamentalist Catholic”, just like I wouldn’t expect a liberal Catholic to use the term “cafeteria Catholic”.
 
“Fundamentalist Catholic” doesn’t appear anywhere,
Come to think of it, that’s not very different from this forum. Heck, this is about the only thread I can think of that criticizes “Fundamentalist Catholics”, and it’s gotten a very small number of replies.
 
I would like to say as a Baha’i that I really like this new Pope Francis, I find Him very refreshing and lets hope the world does as well and that all sit back and take in the advice given.

These talks posted by a Catholic Friend on another Forum

From the interview: catholicnewsagency.com/news/full-text-of-popes-in-flight-interview-from-africa-to-rome-48855/

Pope Francis: Fundamentalism is a sickness that exists in all religions. We Catholics have some, not just some, so many, who believe they have the absolute truth and they move forward with calumnies, with defamation and they hurt (people), they hurt. And, I say this because it’s my Church, also us, all of us. It must be combatted. Religious fundamentalism isn’t religious. Why? Because God is lacking. It’s idolatrous, as money is idolatrous. Making politics in the sense of convincing these people who have this tendency is a politics that we religious leaders must make, but fundamentalism that ends up always in tragedy or in crime, in a bad thing comes about in all religions a little bit.

Delia Gallagher, CNN: You’ve made many gestures of respect toward Muslims. I was wondering, what does Islam and the teaching of the prophet Mohammed have to say to the world today?

Pope Francis: They have virtues, many virtues and these virtues are constructive. I also have the experience of friendship – it’s a strong word, friendship – with a Muslim, a world leader, we can talk, and he had his beliefs and I had mine, he prayed and I prayed. (There are) many values, prayer for example, fasting, religious values. Also other virtues…We can’t cancel out a religious because there are some, or even many fundamentalist groups at a certain point in history. It’s true, wars between religions have always been there throughout history, always. We also need to ask for forgiveness, Catherine de’Medici was no saint, and that 30 years war, that night of St. Bartholomew, we must also ask for forgiveness from the fundamentalist extremists in the religious wars.

But they have virtues, one can dialogue with them. Today I was at a mosque, an Imam prayed with me, he wanted to go around the small stadium with me in the popemobile, where there were many who couldn’t enter, and in the popemobile there was the Pope and an Imam. It was possible to speak. As everywhere, there are people with religious values, there are people who don’t…how many wars, not only religious, wars we Christians have made. It wasn’t the Muslims who did the Sack of Rome. They have virtues.

Great advice, love it!

Regards Tony
I love Pope Francis!
 
I love Pope Francis!
God bless Pope Francis, God Bless Christmas with a Real Christmas

May the Wealthy Give to the Poor, May the Healthy Heal the Sick, May the hopeful give Hope to the Hopeless may we all give service to God.

God Bless and Regards Tony
 
God bless Pope Francis, God Bless Christmas with a Real Christmas

May the Wealthy Give to the Poor, May the Healthy Heal the Sick, May the hopeful give Hope to the Hopeless may we all give service to God.

God Bless and Regards Tony
Amen!
 
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