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Partinobodycula
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God isn’t the first cause. This statement isn’t meant to be argumentative. It’s meant to elicit a reasoned discussion about the nature of God.
Some of this forum’s users may be aware from past discussions that I’m a solipsist. But just to clarify, I’m actually a soft solipsist. Which means that I hold to the position that nothing can be known to exist outside of my own mind. As opposed to a hard solipsist who holds to the position that their mind is without question the only thing that exists. But there’s an interesting correlation between why I’m a soft solipsist instead of a hard solipsist, and why God isn’t the first cause.
Basically the argument boils down to this…consciousness is an emergent phenomenon. It requires the existence of coherent patterns of thought, and they require the existence of something in which to form those coherent patterns of thought. Logically, consciousness can’t create the source from which it arises. It can’t be the cause of itself. Therefore consciousness must have emerged from something else. Some underlying source. Even if everything is all in my mind, my mind is dependent for it’s existence on something more primary than itself.
This argument explains one of the reasons as to why I’m a soft solipsist instead of a hard solipsist. But curiously, this argument also applies to God, if you’re going to assert that God is a conscious being. Consciousness can’t give rise to itself. It must emerge from something which is itself, not conscious.
Therefore, if you’re going to assert that God is a conscious being, then God can’t be the first cause. He can’t cause Himself. There may indeed be a first, uncaused cause, but it’s not conscious. It seems to me therefore, that you’re left with two choices, either God isn’t conscious, or God isn’t the first cause.
Some of this forum’s users may be aware from past discussions that I’m a solipsist. But just to clarify, I’m actually a soft solipsist. Which means that I hold to the position that nothing can be known to exist outside of my own mind. As opposed to a hard solipsist who holds to the position that their mind is without question the only thing that exists. But there’s an interesting correlation between why I’m a soft solipsist instead of a hard solipsist, and why God isn’t the first cause.
Basically the argument boils down to this…consciousness is an emergent phenomenon. It requires the existence of coherent patterns of thought, and they require the existence of something in which to form those coherent patterns of thought. Logically, consciousness can’t create the source from which it arises. It can’t be the cause of itself. Therefore consciousness must have emerged from something else. Some underlying source. Even if everything is all in my mind, my mind is dependent for it’s existence on something more primary than itself.
This argument explains one of the reasons as to why I’m a soft solipsist instead of a hard solipsist. But curiously, this argument also applies to God, if you’re going to assert that God is a conscious being. Consciousness can’t give rise to itself. It must emerge from something which is itself, not conscious.
Therefore, if you’re going to assert that God is a conscious being, then God can’t be the first cause. He can’t cause Himself. There may indeed be a first, uncaused cause, but it’s not conscious. It seems to me therefore, that you’re left with two choices, either God isn’t conscious, or God isn’t the first cause.