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Godlovestrength said:
What is the reason why you follow Jesus?
Is your reason you following Jesus because He is the only way to the Father, have you profe of that?
Are you following the majesterium of the catholic church or following the understanding the church has about the bible?

Does the word “reason” mean sensible, motive, ability, to “think”
Look again at these words ALL are very human, where do they give glory to God when we know that God tells us to let go and let God, Moses didn’t go by reason he asked God how this could be the same as Mary asked. Think about it Josiph used reason and tried to take Mary away to not alloow shame.

Moses didn’t go by reason and he didn’t know where in which direction he was going other than to the promissed land. If he did know then why is there no passage in the Bible tha speakes about Moses arguing with God that they were not on course? Gidion didn’t use reason he followed in faith. The words by Judus were reason, he gave Jesus reason, logic, as his reason or argument for doing certain things and Jesus told him to allow his heart to move him.

Back to reason, or motive, there is no use of reason when the Spirit of God is in control for the spirit of God guides that soul who has given himself truely to God. Therefore there is no need for “human” thought for as Jesus taught us it is NOT you who will speak but the “Spirit” Therefore it is NOT reason to act upon but discernment which is in the gift of “wisdom” These gifts are God’s grace and love to His children NOT a learned understanding of mans “reasoning” why something should or should not be. For did not Jesus tell us that “His ways are so fare above our ways”. Another way of putting that is God’s ways are of the “spirit” not of the fles has reasoning is of the flesh.

Godbless
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thank you for your advice. It was a llittle unclear to me though. Are you pretty much saying to not look at our own reasoning all the time but just to look to God.
 
John_Russell_Jr said:
A holy, orthodox and knowledgeable spiritual director is the best answer. If you have one and follow their advice then you can be sure your doing Gods will. Even if they make a mistake God will be pleased with you. A sure approach.👍
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Thank you but how do I find one?
 
glenaitken said:
In response to the notion that one should toss out reasoning and adopt a more “sola fide” approach to spirituality, I would also like to point to the Tradition of the Church in regards to these matters. Please understand that I am not advocating that one should rely soley on reason. I am a Roman Catholic, and as such I believe (with the Tradition of the Church) that both Faith and Reason work together. Faith should inform our reason and guide it (see the document Fides et Ratio), but consider if what you are saying is true- that reason has little or nothing to do with discernment or christian spirituality. if thhis is the case, then what is wisdom? if one never examines the ways of God, then how can they be known. if you did not use your reasoning faculties to write a response to this person’s question, then how did you do it at all?
What I am advocating is careful discernment. The saints did the same, and there are plenty of examples in scripture. true, God’s ways are not the ways of this world, but He does work with His people in such a way that they may come to know his through thier reason as well as thier experiances and faith. don’t forget that when God tells Joseph to go to Egypt, Ha also tells him why. the same is true of Abraham and any other saint you may choose. The saints act on Faith, but they do not act blindly- they act with loving trust and hope. When Francis of Assisi couldn’t decide whetther to live in solitude or to continue preaching even he sought the advice and discenment of others- isn’t that what this forum is all about?
the head does not lead- the head understands the direction of the Spirit (Sometimes) and directs the virtues. the learned men did not throw away thier books, infact, many of them wrote new books. they followed the call of Christ through prayerful discernment, and through thier reflection they came to greater understandings of God. If we do not follow in thier footsteps, then we are well-meaning fools. We need the instruction of our Church and our brothers and sisters in faith.
No, please do not throw the baby out with the bathwater. we need both faith and reason in our spirituality. If we follow only when we feel like it, then we don’t follow at all. What happens when there are no more “feelings” of the direction which God is leading? This is a very common experiance of the saints, and thier answer has always been to follow the Magesterium, obeying thier spiritual directors, and sound reasoning. Otherwise you commit the fault of “loving the gift more than the giver”- the feeling of love more than the beloved. when a desert comes to a person like that, they quickly retreat to where they were and abandon the development of virtue
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thank you
 
Godlovestrength said:
The point here is that Scripture tells us that " God’s ways are not our ways God’s ways are so high above ours" This means that **we have to leave common sence out theoretical reasoning and the probabilities out because generally speaking they all relate to psychological reasoning. ** Remember what happened to Peter when he used “common sence” he told Jesus that he would not be able to wash His feet and remember the many other things that Peter said. Remember Judus when He used common sence “sell the oil and give the money to the poor”, Remember Thomas “I will not believe unless I see…” all common sence, all worldly thought. Remember Moses “who am I to speak to the Jews” and Gidion How am I to know if this is from you? and the list of common sence goes on.
God wants ( as the saints all say) faith a faith the size of the mustard seed. And this will move mountains.

If you look at only the Bible, books of only the saints who God gives you to read askiing God for the right books, without thinking about what is in them and going along with how the Holy spirit leads "we don’t have to worry about the words the Holy spirit will give them to us in, other words He will speak to us in our spirit NOT the head.
This all means exactly as the saints all did they threw away their learned ways and books and allowed the Holy spirit the chance to lead. Do you remember that each person who gave their lives to God askiing Him to do with them what God wanted, that they were all put into a position or situation where they spent much of their time alone, alone where it was God soaking into their spirit of God what God wanted in there and His forcing out what God didn’t want.
It is so easy to think that we can tell God we want to follow Him when we want only what we really want. This is not God seaking, but self seaking. We can’t follow God and only want the good things of life for that is not God. God’s ways are not our ways.
God bless
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thank you but can you sum it up more . I get confused. What if you feel that God is telling you to do more than one thing at a time.
 
cgirl4ever said:
thank you but can you sum it up more . I get confused. What if you feel that God is telling you to do more than one thing at a time.
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Firstly Ithink you should slow down, OK?

You are asking, what if God is telling you to do more than one thing at a time?

Lets answer that one first. It is truth that **God will not **give you more than you are able to do at once. do you believe that? I would say of corse you do because you know God loves you therefore God does NOT give you confusing patterns.
2 God ALLWAYS wants His work finished so He will only give you one thing to do at a time, when He knows you are only able to finish one thing at a time. Believe that ? I think you would

The last is the relationship to probabilities, or posibilities, mentioned in threads earlier.
We might say
It is probible that God will want me to finish this project He gave me before He gives me another.
Or
It is possible that I might not please God if I don’t finish this project before starting something else, so I will finish this first.

OK now these are both human thinking and I would say with discernment in them, why ? because they both relate to your giving the glory to God, you are interested in Gods glory not your own.

So the point is that God never gives more than we can do, He goes before us to prepasr the way, and He is ALLWAYS there if we want to speak to HIm,

Does that help?
Godbless
 
Godlovestrength said:
Firstly Ithink you should slow down, OK?

You are asking, what if God is telling you to do more than one thing at a time?

Lets answer that one first. It is truth that **God will not **give you more than you are able to do at once. do you believe that? I would say of corse you do because you know God loves you therefore God does NOT give you confusing patterns.
2 God ALLWAYS wants His work finished so He will only give you one thing to do at a time, when He knows you are only able to finish one thing at a time. Believe that ? I think you would

The last is the relationship to probabilities, or posibilities, mentioned in threads earlier.
We might say
It is probible that God will want me to finish this project He gave me before He gives me another.
Or
It is possible that I might not please God if I don’t finish this project before starting something else, so I will finish this first.

OK now these are both human thinking and I would say with discernment in them, why ? because they both relate to your giving the glory to God, you are interested in Gods glory not your own.

So the point is that God never gives more than we can do, He goes before us to prepasr the way, and He is ALLWAYS there if we want to speak to HIm,

Does that help?
Godbless
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Yes, it does make a bit more sense. thank you
 
thank you all for your responses and advice. I need to set some time aside to carefully read some of them. Thank you and God Bless
 
If you are still not sure if something is from God or not, and it causes sufferings, you may still be confused, but offer them up, As some other poster said, if it causes sin or a falling away from devotion to Christ (idolatry), it is almost always from the devil.

I say almost always because i do know that God allows evil sometimes… The Cure d’Ars was harassed by the devil unmercifully and as a result, he had doubts as to what he should be doing with his life, etc… wanted to run away from the diabolic infestation, etc… but the bishop told him to stay.

I don’t want to confuse you, but maybe i am because i think i am confusing myself here:whacky: . I mean… well, if nothing else, it is a heavy cross to carry - to NOT know…

but when i feel this way, i just give the confusion to God, along with all my sufferings… to atone for past sins, to get people out of Purgatory, for** conversions**…

You could pray to st. John Vianney (the Cure d’Ars)… He knows all about being confused, i am sure.
An exorcist wrote a book, said that God evne allows possessions sometimes in order to… well, to do what God knows needs to be done. Of course, some poeple do invite the devil in and end up possessed…
Anyway, just remember that life on this earth was never meant to be a paradise of any kind… Jesus tells us to pick up our crosses. Confusion about God’s will is one of the worst crosses of all… I ought to know…
God bless.
 
My prayer for you is simply this
that the
Holy Spirit guide you and help you,
God bless you and be wiht you all your days,
and at the end of the road,
may there be a beautiful Rose for you,
handed to you by the saint of your choice.
Amen.
Godbless
 
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