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billcu1
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I want to make sure I have this right. God is a spirit, has mind and no soul and no body right?
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catholictiger
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God is pure actuality, it is difficult to rap your head around what God is and what his substance is, I’m not sure if spirit is the best way to describe God but I’m not exactly sure.
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billcu1
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Ok what part of the soul is destroyed by mortal sin. When we are given sanctifying grace does it change what’s already there? And does absolution restore this part of the soul.
What exactly is actuality? Aristotle and his terms always confuse me.
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catholictiger
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can’t explain the first part
but there is actuality and potentiality.
to put it as simple as I can, something is potentially something as in someone could be potentially standing when they are actually sitting.
In philosophy one of the most basic actualities is existence or esse. God is pure existence and he has no potentiality in him. Any person who has potentiality in him must be caused God can’t be cause therefore he must have no potentiality in him.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potentiality_and_actuality
hopefully the above link can help.
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Robyn_p
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Sanctifying grace, the divine life of God, is destroyed when we sin mortally. Sanctifying grace doesn’t give us a new soul, but it gives our souls new powers and graces that it could not have on it’s own.
And yes absolution in confession restores this life in us.
The way Ive always understood actuality is it simply is pure act or action. Like my hand has the potential to type, but until it actually does, that ability is just potential. Once I start typing that potential becomes actuality
I hope that made sense, my studies in philosophy are very beginner, hopefully someone else can explain it better.
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Aloysium
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the Eucharist
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billcu1
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Are you saying is present in the Eucharist or is the Eucharist?
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Robert_Sock
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*G-d transcends all definitions, including the definition, “existence”
–Maimonides *
–Maimonides *
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snarflemike
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I don’t think it’s correct to talk about God having this or that attribute. God is not a spirit, he IS spirit. He does not have a mind, he IS mind. There is no reality (spirit, mind) outside of God, of which God partakes. He IS reality, of which all creation partakes.
And now, with the Incarnation, God DOES have a soul and a body. Not sure how that works in with my previous paragraph.
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Foofaraw
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That depends whether you are looking for a strictly Catholic definition of God, or a definition that would make sense to, let’s say, an open-minded physicist.
In the latter case your statement makes little sense. A “spirit” is, by definition, non-physical, so a physicist could not work with such a concept.
Your understanding of “mind” is badly confused. Given your notion of God as spirit, your “mind” would need to be a spirit as well.
However, we only know about physical minds, that is, minds that are a property of the human brain-body system. If God is a spirit he cannot have a physical mind.
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ColdComfort
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Why not? Is your open minded physicist confined by his specialty or is he interested in the truth?
Well yes if spirit is the right word.
We know about angels. And what is a physical mind?
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billcu1
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I’m interested in the Summa Theologica. I kind of find it hard to understand Aristotlian terms difficult to understand.
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Love4All
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False dichotomy fallacy. There is no contradiction whatsoever between the actual God and actual physics.
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Pugsly
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I like thisI don’t think it’s correct to talk about God having this or that attribute. God is not a spirit, he IS spirit. He does not have a mind, he IS mind. There is no reality (spirit, mind) outside of God, of which God partakes. He IS reality, of which all creation partakes.
And now, with the Incarnation, God DOES have a soul and a body. Not sure how that works in with my previous paragraph.
Here is a mind-bender…God is ALL good…hence God is unlimited good. Yet, there was potential for limited good…admixtures of good mixed with imperfection…like us for example…perhaps…none of it “worthy” of God’s perfection. Yet, Jesus took on a body and redeemed not only us…but all that limited good…for all time. (“Let us give thanks to God for His mercy endures forever.”)
Question: Since God is the source of ALL good then did the Son have this Eternal Body before ever a thing was actualized?
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Love4All
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No. God is Spirit, and at the Incarnation, He took upon Himself our human nature.
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Aloysium
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God is goodness Itself.I like this
Here is a mind-bender…God is ALL good…hence God is unlimited good. Yet, there was potential for limited good…admixtures of good mixed with imperfection…like us for example…perhaps…none of it “worthy” of God’s perfection. Yet, Jesus took on a body and redeemed not only us…but all that limited good…for all time. (“Let us give thanks to God for His mercy endures forever.”)
Question: Since God is the source of ALL good then did the Son have this Eternal Body before ever a thing was actualized?
Rev 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
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catholictiger
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truth cannot contradict itself no matter what form its in.
A scientific truth can’t contradict a philosophical truth, and so on and so forth.
So the physical truth about the cosmos can’t contradict a philosophical truth about the cosmos.
Science and philosophy deal with different areas but when they talk about truth they are talking about the same thing
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