Godless Delusion :- Need Help!

[joeantony]

Joe:

In a sense, they are. But, one has to admit that some societies do not translate the natural law the same way, so it is probably not as universal as we would prefer. In fact it might be reinterpreted from time to time and place to place, but certainly not developed, in the sense that it is subject to a Darwinian style evolution. For example, in old Japan, hara-kiri was an acceptable form of punishment for many things including a violation of honor, such as a dishonor to the emperor. In old America, such a violation of honor was not regarded with such significance. But, at least the underpinning of moral law was present, in Japanese culture. The ritual was an trans-actual suicide, a sort of battle wounding after which the penitent’s second would decapitate him.

So, it would seem that every precaution was taken to make the act morally righteous by first, its ordering by superiors, second, by its feigning of suicide, and, third, by its ultimate execution by a friendly second. Thus, while we would consider it a violation of the natural rights of man (natural law), the Japanese also recognized the need to render it moral for both the governor and the governed.

The problem, then, is in man’s interpretive selections. And, we must always remember, while man constantly strives for perfection, he cannot ever find it here (on earth).

Well, we don’t know its history in those places. It is quite possible (and probable) that it was challenged, but, the challenges did not stand up. “Mob mentality” can cause the aberration of primordial right thinking. Mis-perception can cause the same thing. Fear, the same thing. Unless we know the precise history, we just don’t know.

As I implied, it may not be lost. It may simply be analogous to falling down stairs. Occasionally people can’t stop themselves until they hit the bottom no matter how how much effort they put into it.

Furthermore, remember that the natural law is the natural law for all or most people. We are imperfect creatures. If a few people by whatever hook or crook find themselves outside of it, that does not annihilate it.

God bless,
jd

jd,

It is a nice read and admire the way you explained and thank you for being so patient in explaining.

I discussed with the friend I was talking about in the first post and it seems he is now quite convinced. I would let his reason to do its job now.

And also thanks tho your words I am now even more convinced and it gave me much more insights on “Natural Law”. What a great learning.

God bless you,
With prayers,
Joe

 

[Saburo]

Well, Saburo, you have to admit your entire post is a tad self-confessional! First you tell us about an article you read. Then you tell us about another article, on the same subject - cannibalism - that you read. Then, you protest (too much, I think) that you are not into cannibalism. Then, you tell us you like to visit dentist’s offices to find your materials, not to mention coming up with mitigation for the eventual disappearance of the article writers! Sort of an escalating meander into the strange and bazaar, wouldn’t you say?

God bless,
jd

You never know who might move into the neighborhood, and I’m just trying to keep up. Remember, under the current doctrine, all cultures have equal value. Diversity is our strength…or something.:banghead:

 

[Jonesboy]

Jonesboy,

They are surely human. Also we are talking about the practice of eating another human. There are tribes who eat another human being. How do we know if they feel guilty at all? Isn’t it impossible for everybody in a tribe to be cannibals if at all they all have the same natural law like rest of the human race ? When a tribe or different tribes do not have a second opinion about the morality of eating another human being, how can we claim that they also have the same natural law ( that rest of the human race has) written in their hearts ? If they have the same natural law how can they be so unilaterally ignorant about it?
Joe

Cannabilism rites are usually ceremonial. They aren’t take-aways.

 

[abucs]

Tongons and Papua New Guineans are Pacific Islanders that used to practice Cannibilism before Christian missionaries came. They now are Christian and thank the missionaries for enlightening them.

Perhaps the fact that once groups become non Cannibals they don’t then revert back to being cannibals is an indication that the natural law would favour non Cannibilism. ???

Is there a group who when exposed to non Cannibilism cultures resolutely refuse to give up Cannibilism? This would be an indication that Cannibilism is not agains the natural law.

 

[Arizona_Mike]

Cannibalism is rarely carried out within a culture, but is usually practiced against those outside the tribe, often those captured in war or by raiding parties. So we can’t say it is really cultural, as much as an evil act that is carried out by a degenerate society within a region. Those who are members of neighboring tribe would (correctly) see it as an evil. Societies can fall prey to evil practices, as did the Nazis and the Canaanites and the Communists, that does not normalize the violations of Natural Law.

Like many practices against God’s will and Natural Law, it carries its own inherent risks and leads to the instability of the culture - eating human flesh increases the risk of transmission of illnesses from the consumed (as the consumer and the consumed), and there is a brain disease that is commonly spread by cannibalism, and it tends to cause resentment in the tribes that are victimized, increasing the risk of warfare.