God's Biggest Failures

[777]

I had a friend of mine that said that The Council Of Trent, or whatever it was called was under pressure from the goverments. Almost everyone knows the council is based on The Holy Ghost. So if it’s hearsay, does that mean it’s the same as speaking out against and (at the same time) blasphemy against The Holy Ghost, which can NEVER be forgiven AT ALL, no matter what. Does that mean she (my friend) must give up any hope of praying to be forgiven, forget bout repenting and give up her Roman Catholic religion for good and spend the rest of her life waiting to be sent to Hell for her pitchfork and red union suit, doomed forevermore to be one of God’s biggest failures?

 

[jeffreedy789]

no.

 

[777]

jeffreedy789:

no.

Why not?

 

[jeffreedy789]

because that’s not what blasphemy against the holy spirit means. it means rejecting the conviction of the holy spirit in our hearts, over and over throughout our lives, until we are unable to respond to it, repent of our sins, and seek His salvation.

it has nothing to do with counsels or the inspiration thereof. if that were the case, then desecrating a Bible or a church would be the unpardonable sin, as they also were inspired by the holy spirit.

 

[kepha1]

I am a bit puzzled by your post, so I will answer as if you are not Catholic. Bear with me.

I had a friend of mine that said that The Council Of Trent, or whatever it was called was under pressure from the goverments
.The issues were Martin Luther, revolt against the Pope by the wealthy and powerful, and widespread heresy.

Almost everyone knows the council is based on The Holy Ghost

. So if it’s hearsay, does that mean it’s the same as speaking out against and (at the same time) blasphemy against The Holy Ghost, which can NEVER be forgiven AT ALL, no matter what. Hearsay means somebody told you; you did not receive or witness the information first hand. It is not admissible in a court of law. It’s a shame so many get false information about the Catholic Church from everyplace else except directly from the right source, don’t you think?

All Councils of the Catholic Church, including the one that compiled 27 books of the New Testament, operate under the superintendence of the Holy Spirit. Please don’t tell me the Catholic Church is right about the Bible, but wrong about everything else. If you don’t understand this, you or your minister can send me an e-mail. I can recommend 3 Protestant books on the history of the Bible.

Does that mean she (my friend) must give up any hope of praying to be forgiven

, forget bout repenting and give up her Roman Catholic religion for good and spend the rest of her life waiting to be sent to Hell for her pitchfork and red union suit, doomed forevermore to be one of God’s biggest failures?

Being Catholic means practicing all the commandments that Jesus gave us. That means repenting and confessing just like the bible says, on a regular basis, as an act of the will, not as an act of the emotions. This is what the Jews did, this is what Jesus and the Apostles taught, this is what the early Christians did. You want her to stop doing this because you do not understand your friend’s faith.

Catholics do not believe anyone is sent to hell. Calvinism does. Catholics believe people can send themselves to hell.

To blaspheme the Holy Spirit is to willfully reject the mercy and forgiveness of God before death. No one but God knows who has ever done this.

Catholics believe Jesus died for us on the cross, just like you. (I think) We also believe we share in the very divine life of God Himself, in the here and now, just like the Bible says. That’s good news, eh?

kepha1

 

[mlchance]

777:

I had a friend of mine that said that The Council Of Trent, or whatever it was called was under pressure from the goverments.

Your friend who said that was you, done as part of an attempt to color anyone an evil person who doesn’t think capital punishment is the work of Satan. To quote you:

777:

The Catechism of the Council of Trent was underpressure form the goverments to agree to revenger murder

For further reference, click here.

– Mark L. Chance.

 

[777]

Whatever. It’s a load off everyone’s minds…

 

[AmyS]

The Church is a vessel that the Holy Spirit moves through. That is why the word Vicar is used… Vicar = vicarious… Vicarious = undergoing or seving in the place of someone… That someone = is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

 

[RobedWithLight]

777:

Does that mean she (my friend) must give up any hope of praying to be forgiven, forget bout repenting and give up her Roman Catholic religion for good and spend the rest of her life waiting to be sent to Hell for her pitchfork and red union suit, doomed forevermore to be one of God’s biggest failures?

This is precisely the reason why we must first clarify our terms, such as the “sin against” the Holy Ghost in order to prevent misunderstandings.

The sin against the Holy Ghost is none other than final impenitence, which can be understood to mean the willful, obstinate refusal to acknowledge our transgressions and ask for God’s mercy even at the point of death.

Gerry

 

[amarischuk]

Most theologians agree that ‘the sin against the Holy Spirit’ is actually attributing to Satan that which is God’s.

So, to sin against the Holy Ghost is to confound Him with the spirit of evil, it is to deny, from pure malice, the Divine character of works manifestly Divine.

newadvent.org/cathen/07409a.htm

However, previous biblical exegists believed that it was suicide.Final impenitence is not a sin in itself.

Adam

 

[Irish_Melkite]

Is there some special masochism that keeps people replying to the ridiculous threads that this individual constantly initiates?

 

[RobedWithLight]

Irish Melkite:

Is there some special masochism that keeps people replying to the ridiculous threads that this individual constantly initiates?

The original question in this thread is not really that ridiculous, only that it was based on a misunderstanding of the issue concerning blasphemy against the Spirit, and there are not a few people who may have the same concerns.

Gerry

 

[redeemed1]

All Councils of the Catholic Church, including the one that compiled 27 books of the New Testament, operate under the superintendence of the Holy Spirit. Please don’t tell me the Catholic Church is right about the Bible, but wrong about everything else.

Please note first: The Old Testament canon was established in the time of Ezra and Nehemiah around 400 BC, hence no apocrypha in the Old Testament.

Two: The New Testament canon was put together by the second century AD and long before there was ever a catholic church which did not even have a name until the sixth century AD. Constantine claimed to be a Christian not a roman catholic, and it was 200 years after that before the term catholic was applied to it.

You would do well to check out the real history from all sources not just gullibly believe what the rcc says in light of the fact that they even admit to using false and forged documents to promote their cause. How right can that be? Since when does the end justify the means?

 

[Lisa4Catholics]

redeemed1:

Please note first: The Old Testament canon was established in the time of Ezra and Nehemiah around 400 BC, hence no apocrypha in the Old Testament.

Two: The New Testament canon was put together by the second century AD and long before there was ever a catholic church which did not even have a name until the sixth century AD. Constantine claimed to be a Christian not a roman catholic, and it was 200 years after that before the term catholic was applied to it.

You would do well to check out the real history from all sources not just gullibly believe what the rcc says in light of the fact that they even admit to using false and forged documents to promote their cause. How right can that be? Since when does the end justify the means?

No you need to check your sources and find sources that don’t riek of hatred and venom against other children of Jesus! Why do you have to act so hateful and claim to represent Jesus?God Bless You