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I am supposing this would be a better forum than “Apologetics” in general to post this question. God knows the past, present, and future. Sees in 360 degrees when we can only see forward. Whether he sees all possible pasts, futures and such IDK and that really has nothing to do with this question.
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 One goes to confession with good intent. And they are forgiven. They screw up. They meant well at confession. But did God know they would screw up? If so, how and why did he forgive in the first place? Does it matter if he knew they would screw up in the first place when it comes to forgiveness at confession?
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 One goes to confession with good intent. And they are forgiven. They screw up. They meant well at confession. But did God know they would screw up? If so, how and why did he forgive in the first place? **Does it matter if he knew they would screw up in the first place when it comes to forgiveness at confession?**
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It doesn’t seem to matter. God is willing to forgive over and over if that is required to save a sinner.

It’s only with Satan that God was not willing to forgive. Apparently Satan’s choice was a lasting one because Satan knew it was a lasting one and there would be no forgiveness, and he chose it anyway.

But that’s sheer speculation as there is no revelation to that effect that I know of. 🤷
 
God gave us the sacraments for ourselves to draw closer to him. God does see the past or the future God is all eternal. He sees the present we pass through time God is outside of time.

God is like the parent that simply loves their child. The child may at times hate their parents, but the parents keep loving him no matter what. The son may grow up and have good moments and be close with his family, and he may at times do drugs or commit crimes. The parents keep telling the kid we love you, we love you, we love you. In hopes that their son one day might sober up and realize that sin may be pleasurable at the moment you do it, but effects afterwards are seldom present.

The son whose parents knew their kid was bad from the start and therefore rejected him outright might one day say on death row, “I am here about to die in front of you, I committed the murders, but it was not my fault as my parents never loved me, so I don’t love anyone”.

The son whose parents who loved him may end up in the same exact situation but instead it goes like this, "“I am here about to die in front of you, I committed the murders,my parents were good people and love the Lord, so do not blame them. I have myself to blame and I choose the path that has led me here. I cannot give the victim back to you, but I can give what I should have always been given my entire life. My love and a sincere heart for the pain and suffering I have caused you. God will soon judge me and I pray He has Mercy on me a sinner and shows me the love one last time that I knew frequently in my youth when I sought him out in the confessional. I will by the grace of God never stop interceding for those families I have caused so much grief.”
 
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God gave us the sacraments for ourselves to draw closer to him. God does see the past or the future God is all eternal. He sees the present we pass through time God is outside of time.

God is like the parent that simply loves their child. The child may at times hate their parents, but the parents keep loving him no matter what. The son may grow up and have good moments and be close with his family, and he may at times do drugs or commit crimes. The parents keep telling the kid we love you, we love you, we love you. In hopes that their son one day might sober up and realize that sin may be pleasurable at the moment you do it, but effects afterwards are seldom present.

The son whose parents knew their kid was bad from the start and therefore rejected him outright might one day say on death row, “I am here about to die in front of you, I committed the murders, but it was not my fault as my parents never loved me, so I don’t love anyone”.

The son whose parents who loved him may end up in the same exact situation but instead it goes like this, "“I am here about to die in front of you, I committed the murders,my parents were good people and love the Lord, so do not blame them. I have myself to blame and I choose the path that has led me here. I cannot give the victim back to you, but I can give what I should have always been given my entire life. My love and a sincere heart for the pain and suffering I have caused you. God will soon judge me and I pray He has Mercy on me a sinner and shows me the love one last time that I knew frequently in my youth when I sought him out in the confessional. I will by the grace of God never stop interceding for those families I have caused so much grief.”
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I do know yes what you say. God is outside of time. Or as some put it, not blinded like we are by the mass illusion of the tenses. But God can come into time. I have also heard that. But I guess that doesn’t matter in confessions.

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Since Jesus is continuously presenting His blood sacrifice to the Father in Heaven.

The Father can continue to forgive our sins when we repent, if we are truly:) trying to avoid sin.
 
billcu1 said:
I am supposing this would be a better forum than “Apologetics” in general to post this question. God knows the past, present, and future. Sees in 360 degrees when we can only see forward. Whether he sees all possible pasts, futures and such IDK and that really has nothing to do with this question.

One goes to confession with good intent. And they are forgiven. They screw up. They meant well at confession. But did God know they would screw up? If so, how and why did he forgive in the first place? Does it matter if he knew they would screw up in the first place when it comes to forgiveness at confession?

Bill
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This sort of problem arises from the fact that you want to combine a changeless God with a changing creation. To elaborate consider the states of creation as a series of snapshots in which each state represents the state of creation in a given moment. The state of creation is however subject to change in a moment so called now. God however sustains creation which this requires the existence of a reference point in God’s mind which should change which is contrary with accepted definition of changeless God. So the picture as you noticed is paradoxical.
 
billcu1 said:
I am supposing this would be a better forum than “Apologetics” in general to post this question. God knows the past, present, and future. Sees in 360 degrees when we can only see forward. Whether he sees all possible pasts, futures and such IDK and that really has nothing to do with this question.
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 One goes to confession with good intent. And they are forgiven. They screw up. They meant well at confession. But did God know they would screw up? If so, how and why did he forgive in the first place? Does it matter if he knew they would screw up in the first place when it comes to forgiveness at confession?
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As you say, we screw up although we made a sincere confession; that’s why we can go to confession multiple times to reject our past sins, repent for our choices, and be forgiven.

Does God know we’ll mess up again in the future? Yes, He knows all things. We don’t know what our future will bring but we can be assured that God will be there to forgive us if we come to Him in sincerity.

Don’t worry about if God knows all our sins and when we’ll sin: just remember that He loves us and will forgive us if we sincerely reject our sins and try to not sin again. 👍
 
billcu1 said:
I am supposing this would be a better forum than “Apologetics” in general to post this question. God knows the past, present, and future. Sees in 360 degrees when we can only see forward. Whether he sees all possible pasts, futures and such IDK and that really has nothing to do with this question.
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 One goes to confession with good intent. And they are forgiven. They screw up. They meant well at confession. But did God know they would screw up? If so, how and why did he forgive in the first place? Does it matter if he knew they would screw up in the first place when it comes to forgiveness at confession?
Bill
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We struggle with sin; God knows that. It’s all part of our refining, where ultimately sin is overcome in us. There’s a famous centuries-old quote ascribed to an Orthodox monk referring to himself and his peers at the monastery, ‘We fall down, we get up, we fall down, we get up.’
 
Bahman said:
This sort of problem arises from the fact that you want to combine a changeless God with a changing creation. To elaborate consider the states of creation as a series of snapshots in which each state represents the state of creation in a given moment. The state of creation is however subject to change in a moment so called now. God however sustains creation which this requires the existence of a reference point in God’s mind which should change which is contrary with accepted definition of changeless God. So the picture as you noticed is paradoxical.
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I think you have understood my intents in my question here more than anyone else. I appreciate the responses of others. In “don’t worry we are forgiven.” I know that much. My question was yes more metaphysical.

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