God's Plan

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If God knows everything, then He knew every murder on the planet an infinite number of years before they happened. How come, then will it be a mortal sin? It’s part of God’s plan for the person to commit murder, and He knows they were going to do it, so why is it a sin? It’s someone taking away someone else’s loved one, and its God’s will that the person won’t be alive anymore, and the murdered kills the person, then why is it a sin? I apologize if this is a naive question, but it popped into my head a bit ago. I really want to know that God is real, that everyone I know and love will be in Heaven, and I honestly try to believe, but its really hard. I’m currently in Florida and where I’m at do much is sinful. It’s hard to believe in God when I get weird looks for trying to pray (in my head with eyes closed and head bowed) in a restaurant
 
This is true, Monicad! There’s a certain mystery involved in predestination and free will; all we can do is “work out our salvation with fear and trembling” and hope in God’s mercy 🙂
 
If God knows everything, then He knew every murder on the planet an infinite number of years before they happened. How come, then will it be a mortal sin? It’s part of God’s plan for the person to commit murder, and He knows they were going to do it, so why is it a sin? It’s someone taking away someone else’s loved one, and its God’s will that the person won’t be alive anymore, and the murdered kills the person, then why is it a sin? I apologize if this is a naive question, but it popped into my head a bit ago. I really want to know that God is real, that everyone I know and love will be in Heaven, and I honestly try to believe, but its really hard.
It’s not apart of God’s plan for one to commit murder. It is His plan for us to exercise our free will and to choose good over evil. He knows that some will rebel against Him and commit atrocities against His plan. He also knows that the opposite is true of others.
a loved one lost in such a case will be reunited with their faithful families for all eternity.
what is that compared to the temporary loss we feel here? it will measure nothing in the scheme of things.

Be honest, how would you feel if you turned around and found an unrepentant murderer standing in Heaven?
Your gut tells you this would not be right, so you know that God is Just, and such a thing could never happen.
I’m currently in Florida and where I’m at, to much is sinful. It’s hard to believe in God when I get weird looks for trying to pray (in my head with eyes closed and head bowed) in a restaurant
The Beatitudes
…10"Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11"Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. 12"Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

I hope this helps.
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If God knows everything, then He knew every murder on the planet an infinite number of years before they happened. How come, then will it be a mortal sin? It’s part of God’s plan for the person to commit murder, and He knows they were going to do it, so why is it a sin? It’s someone taking away someone else’s loved one, and its God’s will that the person won’t be alive anymore, and the murdered kills the person, then why is it a sin? I apologize if this is a naive question, but it popped into my head a bit ago. I really want to know that God is real, that everyone I know and love will be in Heaven, and I honestly try to believe, but its really hard. I’m currently in Florida and where I’m at do much is sinful. It’s hard to believe in God when I get weird looks for trying to pray (in my head with eyes closed and head bowed) in a restaurant
I hope the following quote from C.S. Lewis may help -
C.S. Lewis - Mere Christianity:
If God is omnipotent and omniscient, is the existence of Satan in accordance with his will? If it is, he is a strange God, you will say: and if it is not, how can anything happen contrary to the will of a being with absolute power? But anyone who has been in authority knows how a thing can be in accordance with your will in one way and not in another. You make a thing voluntary and than half the people do not do it. That is not what you willed, but your will has made it possible. It’s the same in the universe. God created things which had free will. That means creatures which can go either wrong or right. Some people think they can imagine a creature which was free but had no possibility of going wrong; I cannot.

If a thing is free to be good it is also free to be bad. And free will is what has made evil possible. Why, then, did God give them free will? Because free will, though it makes evil possible, is also the only thing that makes possible any love or goodness or joy worth having. A world of automata-of creatures that worked like machines-would hardly be worth creating. The happiness which God designs for his higher creatures is the happiness of being freely, voluntarily united to him and to each other in an ecstasy of love and delight compared with which the most rapturous love between a man and a woman on this earth is mere milk and water. And for that they must be free.

Of course God knew what would happen if they used their freedom the wrong way: apparently He thought it worth it. Perhaps we feel inclined to disagree with him. But there is a difficulty about disagreeing with God. He is the source from which all your reasoning power comes; you could not be right and He wrong any more than a stream could rise higher than its own source. When you are arguing against him you are arguing against the very power that makes you able to argue at all: it is like cutting off the branch you are sitting on. If God thinks this state of war in the universe a price worth paying for free will-that is, for making a live world in which creatures can do real good or harm and something of real importance can happen, instead of a toy world which only moves when He pulls the strings-then we may take it it is worth paying.

When we have understood about free will, we shall see how silly it is to ask, as somebody once asked me: ‘Why did God make a creature of such rotten stuff that it went wrong?’ The better stuff a creature is made of - the cleverer and stronger and freer it is - then the better it will be if it goes right, but also the worse it will be if it goes wrong. A cow cannot be very good or very bad; a dog can be both better and worse; a child better and worse still; an ordinary man, still more so; a man of genius, still more so; a superhuman spirit, best - or worst - of all.
I hope this has helped

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
It’s part of God’s plan for the person to commit murder, and He knows they were going to do it, so why is it a sin? t
Having knowledge of something *before *it happens, doesn’t mean that you thereby cause it.

Consider an analogy. Let’s say I have an apartment on the 54th floor of a high-rise in New York. I happen to look out my windows, and I see a car speeding down the street. I also happen to see that, if he should blow the red light he’s speeding towards, that there’s a massive 18 wheeler that’s going to plow into him. The driver has no way of knowing this. Low and behold, he blows the light, and the truck slams into him.

Does my foreknowledge of the potential for this accident mean that I caused it? Of course not.

Does God’s foreknowledge of events mean that He causes them? No. Given what we know about God—even from mere philosophical necessity—it simply means that He permits them.

But if God permits evil, then we have no reason to assume that He doesn’t permit it *for a good reason. *Why not? Because it would be begging the question:

No evil would be permitted if God were all-good.
Evil is permitted.
Therefore, God is not all-good.

The first premise assumes what the conclusion means to prove. It’s therefore logically fallacious.
 
Having knowledge of something *before *it happens, doesn’t mean that you thereby cause it.
  • yes. Evil is perversion of grace - that which holds the universe in existence - and so it is not so much that He permits evil but rather that He allows for our capacity, manifesting from freewill, to potentially commit evil. Furthermore, it could be understood that He is always calling us to Himself, as everything in creation came to be through Him and so all finds its way back; IOW, there are no excuses for sin.
 
Having knowledge of something *before *it happens, doesn’t mean that you thereby cause it.

Consider an analogy. Let’s say I have an apartment on the 54th floor of a high-rise in New York. I happen to look out my windows, and I see a car speeding down the street. I also happen to see that, if he should blow the red light he’s speeding towards, that there’s a massive 18 wheeler that’s going to plow into him. The driver has no way of knowing this. Low and behold, he blows the light, and the truck slams into him.

Does my foreknowledge of the potential for this accident mean that I caused it? Of course not.

Does God’s foreknowledge of events mean that He causes them? No. Given what we know about God—even from mere philosophical necessity—it simply means that He permits them.

But if God permits evil, then we have no reason to assume that He doesn’t permit it *for a good reason. *Why not? Because it would be begging the question:

No evil would be permitted if God were all-good.
Evil is permitted.
Therefore, God is not all-good.

The first premise assumes what the conclusion means to prove. It’s therefore logically fallacious.
You’re on the 54th floor! What could you have done? The analogy doesn’t work because you’re human and He’s God. He can do things you can’t. He could apply the car’s brakes and stop the car from Pluto if He wanted to do that.
 
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