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I’ve never told anyone this before and I cannot wait until I go to confession to ask the priest Saturday. I believe I have a vocation for religious life. I am discerning at the moment but I’m having one problem. I struggle with same sex attraction. But in the future I see myself with a woman. I’d never do anything with a man. I can’t help myself with sometimes having some attraction to other guys. I guess it is to physical attributes and it is usually not lust but once in a while I may lust a bit but it is usually because I don’t want to lust. Does that make sense? This has been on my mind for a while and I have been going crazy because I know that they do not let people become priests if they are gay. I don’t believe I’m gay but… what’s going on with me? I am 18 by the way.

EDIT: Forgot to ask my main question. 😛 Does this prevent me from becoming a priest?
 
Oh man. I feel for you and will be praying for you.

I do know that when I was being “scanned” before being given the application to the seminary, I was asked a lot of questions. Quite a few actually. A couple of them were about homosexuality. I don’t remember excatly what they all were, but I remember the jest of them.

They were more of questions of ‘if’ I had been with someone of the same sex. But there was one of if I had thoughts towards homosexuality. This is a very traditional group, so I don’t know if the “mainstream” seminaries ask this.

The other day I was listening to CA Live and this question was asked about it being canon law. I really wish I could remember which CA it was because I download past shows a lot. But I do remember hearing it is not canon law that you have to be hetrosexual, it is in the form of a letter from the pope. But no, it is not canon law that a homosexual cannot be a priest.

Hope this helps buddy. In God’s Love, Seth
 
What is homosexuality defined as exactly…? At what point would someone consider themselves homosexual?
 
Hey there,

First off, I want to say I’m glad you’re going to talk with your priest about this. While these forums can be helpful, questions like this require a more in-depth conversation than you’re going to get here. Good for you on that decision.

I sympathize with you on the feelings you’re having. The cross you have to carry is not an easy one. I’ll be praying for you. Now, to answer your question…

In November 2005, a document was released dealing with admitting homosexual people to the seminary. You can read it on the Vatican’s website. One important line reads:
In the light of such teaching, this Dicastery, in accord with the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, believes it necessary to state clearly that the Church, while profoundly respecting the persons in question, cannot admit to the seminary or to holy orders those who practise homosexuality, present deep-seated homosexual tendencies or support the so-called “gay culture”.
Does that mean you are prevented from becoming a priest? The answer is… I don’t know. You will find some people give a definite yes, others a no, based on their interpretation of the document.

What it boils down to is how do the church define “deep-seated homosexual tendences”? (Since, by your post, you are neither a practicing homosexual or supporting the ‘gay culture’.) The document does not define what the phrase means, nor has any subsequent document.

Jimmy Akin wrote up a nice piece on his blog shortly after this document was released, breaking down the ‘gray area’ this phrase introduced. Though it’s obviously not a binding Church document, it’s a good read, and can be found here. Here’s a followup post with some clarifications.

Ultimately, this is something you’ll have to figure out together with your confessor/spiritual director, and vocation director if your pursue this that far. Only they will be able to determine if the same-sex attraction you live with and the ways it manifests itself are considered deep-seated tendencies. My advice to you…

First, make an appointment to speak with your priest on this, don’t drop it on him in the confessional when there’s a line waiting behind you. You’d be doing him a disservice and yourself an injustice. See if he’s willing to meet with you after confession times, for example. Next, be totally honest with him. Don’t hold back information hoping he won’t ask a certain question. Don’t over or under emphasize anything. Definitely don’t lie. Just be completely honest about it. Finally, be ready to accept whatever judgement he gives on this. He may say this will bar you from the priesthood. He may say you’re ok. He may ask you to wait a few more years to mature. Just be ready to accept it with grace and maturity.

May God bless you and help you through this to the outcome He desires for you. I’ll be praying for you.
 
I really have no advice that can help you besides talk with your priest about this. Besides that, know that I (and I’m sure anyone else who reads your post) will be praying for you. If you are comfortable with it, keep us updated on your discernment of what God’s will for you is. Peace be with you always.
 
I’ve never told anyone this before and I cannot wait until I go to confession to ask the priest Saturday. I believe I have a vocation for religious life. I am discerning at the moment but I’m having one problem. I struggle with same sex attraction. But in the future I see myself with a woman. I’d never do anything with a man. I can’t help myself with sometimes having some attraction to other guys. I guess it is to physical attributes and it is usually not lust but once in a while I may lust a bit but it is usually because I don’t want to lust. Does that make sense? This has been on my mind for a while and I have been going crazy because I know that they do not let people become priests if they are gay. I don’t believe I’m gay but… what’s going on with me? I am 18 by the way.

EDIT: Forgot to ask my main question. 😛 Does this prevent me from becoming a priest?
Hello Jart…I think you need to have a talk with your Diocesan Vocations Director on this subject, who would be able to discern fully and advise you. May God richly bless you!

Regards…Barb:)
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Thanks everyone. The reason I wanted to bring it up in confession was because I am moving Tuesday. This priest is my spiritual director and he is ALWAYS so busy and he is hard to get a hold of. Hopefully he can squeeze me in somehow before I move. It isn’t eating away at me like it was before. I thought about it and I can’t recall a time when those thoughts were sexual. When I see a man who is attractive or well built I think “wow that guy is really good looking! I wish I could look like that!” Then the thought goes away a while later or when the person goes out of sight. I find homosexual sex disgusting… so isn’t that what would make someone gay? Wanting to be with another man? If it is then that crosses me out.
 
Fr. Benedict Groechell (who has extensive experience in psychology) has spoken of how some older priests occasionally told them that they had homosexual thoughts. When he pursuded the idea a little further with them, he realized (and made clear to them) that they were overreacting and not at all homosexual.

It seems that what you’re experiencing is a natural admiration of manhood, something which is fine and normal for a young person. You’ve noted that you want to “be like them” not “be with them” (so to speak). It doesn’t seem to me at all that you are in any way experiencing homosexual attraction. It’s just a natural, healty appreciation for the make physique.
 
Are you sure you are not mixing up lust with envy? Say you see a really fit or attractive guy and maybe you wish you looked liked that in order so you could be more sexually appealing? But now what started out as some sort of subsconcious envy turned into a sexual thought because your mind can’t process the difference?
 
Are you sure you are not mixing up lust with envy? Say you see a really fit or attractive guy and maybe you wish you looked liked that in order so you could be more sexually appealing? But now what started out as some sort of subsconcious envy turned into a sexual thought because your mind can’t process the difference?
That sounds very very possible… How would I fix that? Do I just grow out of it?
 
I’m not certain I’m qualified to answer that. Once sex hits the brain your mind becomes muddled and you can’t think clearly. Satan loves that because it keeps so many people confused. It’s very hard to step back and reason and say this is “what it really is.”

But the only thing I can tell you is that when these thoughts happen to me I immediately stop, pray & ask Jesus for help. Don’t even entertain them for one second. And NEVER be ashamed to bring them up in confession. You need the grace you receive from the sacrament to help you. If you really don’t want to go to your confessor, go to a different location behind the screen. Personally, I don’t like the screen but some people need it.
 
Thanks all of you! I went to confession today but couldn’t confess because in the whole hour and a half people were in there for 20-30 minutes each. 😦 I go to confession every week because if I don’t I can’t receive communion and during the week I don’t have strength. Oh well…
 
Its rough, I have problems with lust and stuff like that, its always hard going against this society thats open to anything and everything that has to do with sex. All I really want to do is thank you for being open to God’s call.

Thank you…:blessyou:
 
Don’t forget our Lord says some demons can only be driven out with prayer and fasting. Peace:) .
 
I have had a hard time accepting homosexuals period. The lord commands us to love the sinner not the sin. I have matured a little and am starting to put that into practice. I think a lot of people have problems with vices be it cigarettes dice food sex money toys booze what have you . What good would a priest be if he is on the wild turkey and can’t deal with it or a priest that is fat and has a food addiction?falls over dead from a heart attack (I have a food problem myself that I am able to deal with through prayer and trust in our lord) If the priest has his food addiction under check and even a little over weight why should he be denied? I have problems that I have a lot of trouble keeping in check. Toys I love collecting things and I love anything with a motor, engine or that is shiny one horse is surley NOT enough. I surely do not think that being a recovering alcohololic should prevent you from being in seminary nor being a non virgin. If you are out there trying to “change” the church by trying to promote same sex attraction I would hope the priest would tell you no no and no. But if you are dealing with your problem and know and acknoledge the situation and have it undercontrol I would hope that your vocation director understands and will help you through it all. I am sure there are priests that have the same problem you have. I am sure in the confessional priests heard it all and after the first 6 months of hearing confessions the shock has worn off. I have heard this problem over and over and you are not the first one that dealt with it and won’t be the last. I think you are awesome in the fact that you are not giving in to it and saying you are born with it. I pray that you make it in the seminary and pray that you hold fast to the teachings of the church and accept all of them and love them with all your heart. Scoob.
 
hello, Jart, remember you are only 18 and that says much!! you still have a time to learn about yourself and to mature. at this age you can’t be sure about any tendencies you may have, especially because you have not been active in that (thanks be to God!)
 
Thanks all of you! I went to confession today but couldn’t confess because in the whole hour and a half people were in there for 20-30 minutes each. 😦 I go to confession every week because if I don’t I can’t receive communion and during the week I don’t have strength. Oh well…
Hi Jart…could you perhaps make an appointment to speak with Father?
Keeping you in prayer…
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Thanks all of you! I went to confession today but couldn’t confess because in the whole hour and a half people were in there for 20-30 minutes each. 😦 I go to confession every week because if I don’t I can’t receive communion and during the week I don’t have strength. Oh well…
It sounds as if you may be a little over-scrupulous; unless you are in a state of serious sin, it is not necessary to go to confession every time you plan to receive Communion. Monthly confession would be desirable, as it’s not so long a time that you would tend to forget any sins (of course, mortal sin must be confessed prior to Communion.) Holy Communion brings many graces that you should not deny yourself, particularly as you are in a period of discernment.

With regard to the “homosexual thing”; seminaries are being much more thorough these days, as their screening processes have left much to be desired in the past, as evidenced by the recent news of scandals. However, from what you describe, I don’t think this is your problem at all - you just seem hyper-vigilant about sexual matters. I’d relax and let yourself off the hook a bit, and pray! 🙂
 
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