Going to Hell: Legalism vs. Humanism

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There was a saint (think it was St. Teresa of Avila, but am not certain) and she had been praying for someone who had committed suicide. Then she started to be concerned that perhaps it was wrong to pray for that person - since suicide is a mortal sin. But Jesus appeared to her and said: “And where do you think I was in those seconds that elapsed between the time he/she jumped from the bridge and drowned in the water.”

It’s been quite awhile since I read it, and I don’t remember the particulars and Our Lord’s words exactly – but the meaning of His words made a big impression on me at the time and that meaning I remember accurately.
It sort of comforts me that you say that because lately I’ve been praying for the soul of Kurt Cobain. I related to him very much and for a too-long period in my life I believe I felt like he felt. It’s an aweful place.
 
It sort of comforts me that you say that because lately I’ve been praying for the soul of Kurt Cobain. I related to him very much and for a too-long period in my life I believe I felt like he felt. It’s an aweful place.
Like you, there are some who committed suicide that I regularly pray for - one of them a classmate. Not only does it help his soul if he’s in purgatory, but it sort of helps /consoles/uplifts (can’t quite find the right word) me also to know I am now able to do something for him.
It may well be that the interior nudge/thought that started you praying for Kurt’s soul came from God.

Padre Pio is another saint who influenced my prayers for those who died. One time when Pio was praying for his deceased father, a fellow monk heard him. The fellow monk said (paraphrase): “But Pio, you told me your father was already in heaven.” Pio said, “He is. But that (quick) entry was contingent on my continuing to pray for his soul.” So, one of the things I include in my prayers for those who have committed suicide is a plea to God that He will grant them the grace of final repentance and conversion. It’s the same prayer I also pray for those who are about to die. I know the grace of final repentance is not given to my classmate now at the time I’m praying for it. Rather, God **knowing **I would in the future be offering these prayers for my classmate, granted any graces that would stem from these future prayers when they were needed by him. . God is outside of time.
 
Like you, there are some who committed suicide that I regularly pray for - one of them a classmate. Not only does it help his soul if he’s in purgatory, but it sort of helps /consoles/uplifts (can’t quite find the right word) me also to know I am now able to do something for him.
It may well be that the interior nudge/thought that started you praying for Kurt’s soul came from God.

Padre Pio is another saint who influenced my prayers for those who died. One time when Pio was praying for his deceased father, a fellow monk heard him. The fellow monk said (paraphrase): “But Pio, you told me your father was already in heaven.” Pio said, “He is. But that (quick) entry was contingent on my continuing to pray for his soul.” So, one of the things I include in my prayers for those who have committed suicide is a plea to God that He will grant them the grace of final repentance and conversion. It’s the same prayer I also pray for those who are about to die. I know the grace of final repentance is not given to my classmate now at the time I’m praying for it. Rather, God **knowing **I would in the future be offering these prayers for my classmate, granted the graces from these future prayers when they were needed by him - just prior to his dying. God is outside of time.
 
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