Grave or mortal sin

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I find this confusing, the word sin is applied to action, purposful knowing actual. Surely, while grave matter is not always mortal sin, grave sin and mortal sin are one and the same?:cool:
 
A useful distinction, though not uniformly used, is to use grave for the action and mortal for the guilt. One can judge the former but not the latter in the case of others.

A mortal sin requires that the action be gravely wrong, that the sinner have knowledge that it is wrong, and that the sinner freely does it. We can judge the first, but not the second and third.
 
Joe_Kelley said:
A useful distinction, though not uniformly used, is to use grave for the action and mortal for the guilt. One can judge the former but not the latter in the case of others.

A mortal sin requires that the action be gravely wrong, that the sinner have knowledge that it is wrong, and that the sinner freely does it. We can judge the first, but not the second and third.
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I wholeheartedly agree.
 
“Sin is nothing else than a morally bad act (St. Thomas, “De malo”, 7:3), an act not in accord with reason informed by the Divine law. God has endowed us with reason and free-will, and a sense of responsibility; He has made us subject to His law, which is known to us by the dictates of conscience, and our acts must conform with these dictates, otherwise we sin (Romans 14:23). In every sinful act two things must be considered, the substance of the act and the want of rectitude or conformity (St. Thomas, I-II:72:1). The act is something positive. The sinner intends here and now to act in some determined matter, inordinately electing that particular good in defiance of God’s law and the dictates of right reason. The deformity is not directly intended, nor is it involved in the act so far as this is physical, but in the act as coming from the will which has power over its acts and is capable of choosing this or that particular good contained within the scope of its adequate object, i.e. universal good (St. Thomas, “De malo”, Q. 3, a. 2, ad 2um). God, the first cause of all reality, is the cause of the physical act as such, the free-will of the deformity (St. Thomas I-II:89:2; “De malo”, 3:2). The evil act adequately considered has for its cause the free-will defectively electing some mutable good in place of the eternal good, God, and thus deviating from its true last end.”
OCE Sin
newadvent.org/cathen/14004b.htm

What we are getting towards, is that to be sin, one must be aware, and must be conformed in their awareness by will. I.E. any grave matter which is in turn grave sin is mortal sin, therefore there is no need for distinction, or else mortal sin is acceptable as definition. Of course one may sin venially with grave matter- but then it is not a grave sin, in that it is not related to the fullness of the matter, and not a serious sin.

I would appreciate response.
 
A sin of grave matter is not a mortal sin unless you know it is grave and you go ahead and commit the act knowing that.
If you don’t know the act is grave then you have not commited a mortal sin but the sin still remains of grave matter and does not revert to venial matter.
 
But then it is not a serious sin, but a venial sin, with grave matter involved, therefore, how do we call it serious sin. The Baltimore:cool: teachings all use mortal or venial, why must we use the word grave sin, it seems very PC.
 
Marc_Aupiais said:
But then it is not a serious sin, but a venial sin, with grave matter involved, therefore, how do we call it serious sin. The Baltimore:cool: teachings all use mortal or venial, why must we use the word grave sin, it seems very PC.
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When one is in a grave condition physically he or she is almost dead. The term grave indicates a place for the dead. One is put in a grave after death. I can have a grave ready for me now, if I so choose. Its sole purpose, however, is for my death.

So we see it in the case of sin. Grave matter resulting from word, thought or deed, is a place whereby if we know that the matter is grave (serious) and then give in with our full consent of the will, we die spiritually. Mortal means death. Once we attribute the term “mortal” with a sin we know that the sin just killed the soul. That is a result of, or an end of, choosing the grave (serious) act over God. We can choose to walk around the grave or to fall in it. The choice is entirely ours. Now we may be standing in a grave thinking that it is a really neat hole and not be dead because we have no idea how close we have come to being buried. This is venial sin.

That is exactly why the Church recommends that we confess venial sins as well. In our weaknesses and ignorance, we may not know how close we came to being buried and we may not get so “lucky” next time.

Really all sin is intrinsically serious in that it offends and infinitely loving God. Yes, a venial sin (involving less serious matter or knowledge, as such) does not eternally separate us from God’s friendship and allow spiritual death but in relation to God as the ultimate holiness any sin is detrimental to our spiritual life.
 
As I agree utterly- grave matter, mortal sin, but grave sin - the connection of the two implies mortal, so I think simply mortal sin, and venial sin may be better, or saying, I may have- rather than using grave sin for possibly mortal offenses- surely, this is incorrect English, or PC English. Thank you, and I agree on the stance in the post.
 
Marc_Aupiais said:
I find this confusing, the word sin is applied to action, purposful knowing actual. Surely, while grave matter is not always mortal sin, grave sin and mortal sin are one and the same?:cool:
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Is a capital sin the same as a grave or mortal sin?
 
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