GRRRR Polka Mass!

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Regarding Kielbasi’s comments about “Polka Masses” and their celebration in St. Peter’s…

Irrelevant, and who cares, quite frankly? First of all the whole concept of a “Polka Mass” reveals staggering artistic, aesthetic, liturgical, and cultural ignorance of mind-boggling proportions. Second, if such a travesty occurred in St. Peter’s, that hardly validates it.

Just because John Paul II allowed it in St. Peter’s does not make it right, or appropriate…except for papolaters who think anything a pope allows is somehow sanctioned.

There is a difference in Catholic theology between the person of the pope and the teaching office of the pope, the Magisterium…and no, “Polka Masses” haven’t been approved by the Magisterium. Just by the person of John Paul II. Big difference.

There’s a lot more at stake in liturgy than the minimum standard of “Was it a validly confected Eucharist?”

A Satanic priest can validly confect the Eucharist. Doesn’t make it any less an abomination.
 
ncjohn said:
Gee, maybe I could start on a couple hymns…

“Bringing in the sheeps”

“Got that sinner in the Cross-hairs”

“Protectin’ the sheepfold with my S & W (Spirit and Water)”

I feel bad that I’ve never gotten to experience a Polka Mass, so maybe I can get in on the ground floor on this one. 😃
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sheeps?
one of my bishops calls the congregation, sheeple
sometimes, but not in front of them. the priests don’t really like the term or use it. it’s a bishop thing I guess.
 
FrCorey said:
sheeps?
one of my bishops calls the congregation, sheeple
sometimes, but not in front of them. the priests don’t really like the term or use it. it’s a bishop thing I guess.
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:bigyikes:
 
Kielbasi said:
To the contrary, the Polka Mass has been said on the high altar of St. Peter’s Basilica.

Any individual Catholic may or may not prefer polka masses , but they had the endorsement of the magesterium and their validity isn’t questionable.

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Just listened to the sample of music they had on that link … :bigyikes:

Though I can imagine after some of the stuff JP2 and other Church notables must have been exposed to in the course of their travels it probably sounds quite respectable.
 
We have a Jazz mass at our cathedral durning our big Jazz festival. I have gone to though and it is very beautiful and done tasteful. I didn’t see anything that would be a no no…
 
Honestly this sample of a Polka mass sounds much better than the folk/contemporary/teen pop/christmas carol music i hear at many other Roman Catholic Churches. I rather like it and prefer it to those. Although the corsican, and eastern orthodox chanting has a depth that is much more timeless than this particular (possibly westernized) polka I think. Authentic polka doesnt even use accordion and sounds more eastern than this minnesota style…

Where can I find that jazz mass in my area? Most of the original Dixieland Jazz was started from marching bands playing gospel music in funeral procession.

I’ve been to an ethiopian orthodox divine liturgy with great bass drums in it and a misja (mass) full of marimbas in the country of Gabon on the west african coast, perfectly legitimate ancient orthodox traditions in those countries.
 
I’m just waiting for a Disney Mass.
Hey There, Hi There, Ho There!
You’re as welcome as can be…
 
Chris_McAvoy said:
Honestly this sample of a Polka mass sounds much better than the folk/contemporary/teen pop/christmas carol music i hear at many other Roman Catholic Churches. I rather like it and prefer it to those. Although the corsican, and eastern orthodox chanting has a depth that is much more timeless than this particular (possibly westernized) polka I think. Authentic polka doesnt even use accordion and sounds more eastern than this minnesota style…

Where can I find that jazz mass in my area? Most of the original Dixieland Jazz was started from marching bands playing gospel music in funeral procession.

I’ve been to an ethiopian orthodox divine liturgy with great bass drums in it and a misja (mass) full of marimbas in the country of Gabon on the west african coast, perfectly legitimate ancient orthodox traditions in those countries.
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I doubt you could find a 'Jazz Mass" in your area unless your from down south 🙂 We only have that when the festival is in town.
 
My thought here is that the liturgy should be able to reflect the culture it is in. That is at the heart of what the polka mass is intended to do, whether it works or not I am uncertain. Since Disney is an artificial commercial culture it should never reflect that. And in fact it should not reflect commercial trends at all, it should have a pure unique “I am the beginning and the end” spiritual depth.

Just as the Eastern Churches have a different style of chant for each particular Country and or Church which are very very distinctly different yet still recognizably liturgical, so should the Western Church(es) do the same. How this is done and whether it uses instruments is where the controversy occurs. If you can get past the bias of viewing polka as something commercial and schlmatzy and view it as soemthing very traditional perhaps you can understand the purpose of the polka mass. But at the same time I state that the polka used in this mass may not be REAL polka, and unfortunately that could be where the biggest problem lies…It may be reflecting too much of the record industries commercialized version of polka, this could be why it does not endear as much respect as other ethnic liturgies receive. Perhaps it could be reformed in the future to be more authentic Polka or another more authentic Eastern European form of music/chant.
 
anamchara said:
I doubt you could find a 'Jazz Mass" in your area unless your from down south 🙂 We only have that when the festival is in town.
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I think Dave Brubek may have written a jazz setting of the Mass which could be available on recording.
 
**** This might step on somebody’s toes, but here is my humble opinion: If the Vatican is the final say on what is and is not done in the liturgy, and in all aspects of the Church, then WHY are there still abuses and novelties occurring at masses!? WHY are liberal priests and bishops allowed to continue thsi travesties!? My take on this is that if it ain’t broke why fix it? Was Holy Mother Church “broken” for 2000 years, and in need of all out overhaul before Vatican II? Seems most of these problems started after that, and have snowballed to alarming levels. At once time, we could go to mass and it was the same everywhere in then world (hence: universal), no changes at all. Now no one knows what to do, and it is different (not “good” different either!) and reverence is out the window! How is ANY of this progress?:mad: Somewhere in scripture it says :“God is not the author of confusion” Well,I see a greatdeal of confusion. Where is it coming from then? I apologize if I have upset anyone, or am out of line here. I am so heartbroken over what I am seeing in my beloved Church! I am wholeheartedly in line with the magesterium in Rome, and would never leave, or go into schism ever.I am, however, very unhappy, and I have many friends and relatives who feel as I do 😦
 
We had Jazz Vespers at our Cathedral Basillica. Does that count? Today we are having a Unity Mass that will honor Caribean, Haitian, Vietnamese, African and French people. I understand they will have there own brand of music. I would like to attend just to see what goes on but I am afraid I will not get a place to park downtown so I will have to leave it to my imagination. I’m of Polish decent so what’s wrong with a Polka Mass. (prefer Jimmy Sturr please)
 
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