Hajar Aswad... heaven's stone or meteorite?

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Hajar Aswad, the black stone… used to be white…. It’s a rock from heaven.

But according to science ( I read somewhere I forgot, if anyone could give me the link, would be much appreciated!) this hajar aswad that Muslims kiss during hajj pilgrimage is just a piece of meteorite…

Is there any other way to convince us (or me, in particular) that the stone is from heaven not a meteorite? Because if that meteorite then you guys (muslim) worship meteorite… and why does the place (to put the stone) looked like women’s genital?
 
a meteorite is a stone from heaven.

and I didn’t know people worshipped it. I thought it was just honored and venerated.
 
cheddarsox said:
a meteorite is a stone from heaven.

and I didn’t know people worshipped it. I thought it was just honored and venerated.
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they’re walking around the kabbah… praying… doncha think they worship kabbah? do you think they honored the kabba? and have any idea where the black stone located?

and oh, give me the evidence if meteorite from heaven… this is new to me, really!! 😉
 
Ilocia said:
they’re walking around the kabbah… praying… doncha think they worship kabbah? do you think they honor the kabba? and have any idea where the black stone located?

and oh, give me the evidence if meteorite from heaven… this is new to me, really!! 😉
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Ilocia said:
they’re walking around the kabbah… praying… doncha think they worship kabbah? do you think they honored the kabba? and have any idea where the black stone located?

and oh, give me the evidence if meteorite from heaven… this is new to me, really!! 😉
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I really don’t know if they worship the kabbah, I thought they venerated it, but not worshipped it. Maybe they do.?

Since meteorites come from outside of the atmosphere, I think that most people, up until fairly recent history would conclude that the rock came from heaven. Heaven being “up there” or “out there” as the case may be.

Or did you mean Heaven, as in the Christian Heaven?

I don’t think their concept of heaven is the same as the Christian one.

Often beliefs of one faith don’t carry over into another. I don’t think they teach it came from the Christian Heaven.
 
Ilocia said:
they’re walking around the kabbah… praying… doncha think they worship kabbah?
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I’m surprised a Catholic, of all people, would assume that Muslims engage in “the worship due to God alone” (latria) when they circumambulate the Kabbah. Don’t Catholics make a careful distinction between “worship due to God alone” and “veneration of saints” (dulia and hyperdulia)? And don’t Muslims make the same distinction when talking about their notions of what the Kabbah represents? So why not take Muslims at their word, when they say that circumambulation is a sign of respect, rather than worship?
 
Well i would just like to say the Black Stone and the Kaaba itself has never been worshipped.

This is in reference to the Black Stone

Narrated 'Abis bin Rabia: Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said “NO DOUBT, I KNOW THAT YOU ARE A STONE AND CAN NEITHER BENEFIT ANYONE NOR HARM ANYONE. Had I not seen Allah’s Apostle kissing you I would not have kissed you.” BUKHARI: Volume 2, Book 26, Number 667

This is in reference to the Kaaba
“Behold! We gave the site, To Abraham, of the (Sacred) House (i.e., the Kaaba), (Saying): 'Associate not anything (In worship) with Me; And sanctify My House For those who compass it round, Or stand up, Or bow, or prostrate themselves (Therein in prayer). And proclaim the Pilgrimage among men: they will come to thee on foot and (mounted) on every kind of camel, lean on account of journeys through deep and distant mountain highways;” (The Noble Quran, 22:26-27)

We see from here that both are only reverred as holy one because God commanded us to Santify His House, and the other because the Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) kissed it.
 
your forgetting

Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 661:
Narrated Abu Raja Al-Utaridi:
We used to worship stones, and when we found a better stone than the first one, we would throw the first one and take the latter, but if we could not get a stone then we would collect some earth (i.e. soil) and then bring a sheep and milk that sheep over it, and perform the Tawaf around it. When the month of Rajab came, we used (to stop the military actions), calling this month the iron remover, for we used to remove and throw away the iron parts of every spear and arrow in the month of Rajab. Abu Raja’ added: When the Prophet sent with (Allah’s) Message, I was a boy working as a shepherd of my family camels. When we heard the news about the appearance of the Prophet, we ran to the fire, i.e. to Musailima al-Kadhdhab

If pagans never revered it then why was umar so hesitant in kissing it? and why does he say he would never have done so if he hadn’t seen Mohammad doing so?
 
DeusVult09 said:
your forgetting

Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 661:
Narrated Abu Raja Al-Utaridi:
We used to worship stones, and when we found a better stone than the first one, we would throw the first one and take the latter, but if we could not get a stone then we would collect some earth (i.e. soil) and then bring a sheep and milk that sheep over it, and perform the Tawaf around it. When the month of Rajab came, we used (to stop the military actions), calling this month the iron remover, for we used to remove and throw away the iron parts of every spear and arrow in the month of Rajab. Abu Raja’ added: When the Prophet sent with (Allah’s) Message, I was a boy working as a shepherd of my family camels. When we heard the news about the appearance of the Prophet, we ran to the fire, i.e. to Musailima al-Kadhdhab
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Enough said.

wasalam
 
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