Hal Lindsey, Rapture Forums, St. Malachi

[CopticChristian]

I was listening to Hal Lindsey, I find him amusing, it is like going to a fortune teller and saying…well you know why I am here don’t you…

Anyway, he was speaking about St. Malachi, and he said St. Malachi was a believer…kind of funny and then I found Hal’s report and then I found the

Rapture Forum…kind of like this forum but with people doing the Dispensationalist thing…condemning even Protestants…

raptureforums.com/forum/prophecy-end-times-chat/72876-prophecy-st-malachy-extraordinary-prophecy-april-2005-hal-lindsey-3.html

Some details… The harlot represents the apostate and corrupt church - a church filled with apostate Protestants and Catholics! Some of us on the Rapture Forums are just entirely too doggone quick to condemn Catholics and utterly fail to realize that Protestants are just as worthy of such condemnation. The Great Apostasy will cross all denominational lines within Christianity, that’s a fact!

hallindsey.com/the-hal-lindsey-report-11042011/

Almost 900 years ago, Pope Innocent II summoned the Bishop of Armagh, in what is now Northern Ireland, to come to Rome. While there, this Bishop purportedly experienced a vision in which he saw the popes from that time until the end of the Roman Catholic church. He recorded his impression of each of the remaining 112 popes in a series of cryptic phrases.

Today, Saint Malachy’s vision is called “The Prophecy of the Popes.” Written in 1139, it was rediscovered in the Vatican’s archives in 1590.

I do not believe Saint Malachy’s predictions rise to the level of the Bible’s prophecies in either their detail or accuracy. However, his predictions have been remarkable in their own way and bear relevance to the times in which we live.

What do you think of Hal, St. Malachi and the Rapture Forum…

 

[Della]

When I was a member of the Assemblies of God in the 70’s Hal Lindsey was all the rage. His “Late, Great Planet Earth” had a wide reading among us and we hung on his every word. Of course, when his predictions for the Second Coming didn’t pan out, he kind of disappeared for a while, only to come out again making more predictions and giving us more warnings. It wasn’t funny to us because we believed the Rapture could happen at any time and we had to be prepared for it or live through the Great Tribulation. I’m so happy I’m not caught up in that any more. The narrowmindedness and “us vs. them” mentality, the repressiveness and judging of one another’s “spiritual temperatures” is something I gladly left behind (no pun intended).

 

[jediliz]

early Christians did not believe in the Rapture, as that false doctrine did not exist.

I think the prophecy has already been debunked (several times here since Monday), though if it were real, it is quite an interesting read.

I prefer to listen to my local Catholic radio and not some guy who randomly predicts the 2nd coming…perhaps his bible is missing the line from Jesus that says ONLY the FATHER knows the time?

 

[benjohnson]

I have a high regard for St. Malachi, but I have a dim regard for what I think are false writings attributed to him.

What disturbs me about Rapture belief is that it can come with a ‘elect’ mentality that I find to be opposite to what Christ would have us do - that if we are to come to harm, we should face it together knowing and preaching the Gospel to each other to build each other up in Christ.

 

[CopticChristian]

early Christians did not believe in the Rapture, as that false doctrine did not exist.

I think the prophecy has already been debunked (several times here since Monday), though if it were real, it is quite an interesting read.

I prefer to listen to my local Catholic radio and not some guy who randomly predicts the 2nd coming…perhaps his bible is missing the line from Jesus that says ONLY the FATHER knows the time?

Jed,

The history of Eschatology in time is

Historic premillinial, condemned by the Catholic Church, I believe
Amillinial, Catholic
Postmillinial, Reformed
Premillineal, Dispensational/Darby/Scofield and the non-

 

[colmywaykurtz]

I once actually read a column by Hal Lindsey in World Net Daily that asserted that the St. Malachi “Prophecies” “proved” that the Catholic Church was the “harlot,” and that the pope who followed Benedict would be “Peter the Roman,” the Antichrist. An exchange of increasingly heated emails between him and me ensued, and he finally blocked my emails.

In my formative years in the seventies, many people I knew, including my own parents, thought he was the greatest thing since sliced bread. I always felt uneasy swallowing the material in his books, and when I began reading Catholic perspectives on the end times a few years ago, I finally began to put a finger on the source of my unease. He simply (but perhaps sincerely) shoehorns scripture into a preconceived worldview to get a sensational book (or ten) out of it, that worldview being Dispensationalism.

 

[Nimzovik]

Marking to read later

 

[GaryTaylor]

I have listened to Hal Lindsey.

And when he states…“I believe and preach that there are no prophecies left to be fulfilled before Jesus Christ returns for His bride in the Rapture of the Church.”

I believe that’s called post reformation truth which includes Rapture, and then further deviates…

“I do not believe Saint Malachi’s predictions rise to the level of the Bible’s prophecies in either their detail or accuracy. However, his predictions have been remarkable in their own way and bear relevance to the times in which we live.”

Entertainment for profit under the disguise of Christianity is what I call it.

 

[smaneck]

Jed,

The history of Eschatology in time is

Historic premillinial, condemned by the Catholic Church, I believe
Amillinial, Catholic
Postmillinial, Reformed
Premillineal, Dispensational/Darby/Scofield and the non-

You might find it interesting that the first ‘dispensationalist’ might well be considered Joachim de Fiore who was considered a prophet by the Spiritual Franciscans. He believed that human history was modeled after the Trinity and divided into three epochs.

The Age of the Father, corresponding to the Old Testament.
The Age of the Son, between the advent of Christ and 1260, represented by the New Testament.
The Age of the Holy Spirit, impending (in 1260),a new dispensation of universal love proceeding from the Gospel of Christ, but transcend its letter. The Church would be unnecessary and infidels would unite with Christians.

 

[CopticChristian]

You might find it interesting that the first ‘dispensationalist’ might well be considered Joachim de Fiore who was considered a prophet by the Spiritual Franciscans. He believed that human history was modeled after the Trinity and divided into three epochs.

The Age of the Father, corresponding to the Old Testament.
The Age of the Son, between the advent of Christ and 1260, represented by the New Testament.
The Age of the Holy Spirit, impending (in 1260),a new dispensation of universal love proceeding from the Gospel of Christ, but transcend its letter. The Church would be unnecessary and infidels would unite with Christians.

Smaneck,

No, I am not interested. It is rumored that John Nelson Darby read Fiore;s work and that is where he got is ideas. I know of this…

 

[aidanbradypop]

I love ole Hal…lol He loves God and fellow man, but I believe he gets so wrapped up with the world ending that he forgets to enjoy the here and now. He is in a group that if you do not see it their way then you are “lost” and risk damnation. That brings about issue with me but his show is entertaining to say the least lol.

 

[cajunhillbilly]

I love ole Hal…lol He loves God and fellow man, but I believe he gets so wrapped up with the world ending that he forgets to enjoy the here and now. He is in a group that if you do not see it their way then you are “lost” and risk damnation. That brings about issue with me but his show is entertaining to say the least lol.

I met a graduate of Dallas Seminay in the 80s who asked me for my eschatology. When I told him amil, he thought I was bordering on heresy. LOL I then told him that I was in good company then- Augustine, Aquinas, most Medieval theologins, Luther, Calvin, most Reformation Protestants, Puritans, and even (hold your breath) Charles Spurgeon, considered one of the greatest of preachers by Dispensationalists. (I like him too).

 

[Megan7]

I was listening to Hal Lindsey, I find him amusing, it is like going to a fortune teller and saying…well you know why I am here don’t you…

Anyway, he was speaking about St. Malachi, and he said St. Malachi was a believer…kind of funny and then I found Hal’s report and then I found the

Rapture Forum…kind of like this forum but with people doing the Dispensationalist thing…condemning even Protestants…

raptureforums.com/forum/prophecy-end-times-chat/72876-prophecy-st-malachy-extraordinary-prophecy-april-2005-hal-lindsey-3.html

hallindsey.com/the-hal-lindsey-report-11042011/

What do you think of Hal, St. Malachi and the Rapture Forum…

I have a question.

People keep saying that the Saint Malachy prophesies are a forgery, because they showed up after his death. But, they still have matched with the Popes, how do you explain that?
After they were published, it still kept working, Pope after Pope,etc…
Just curious…

 

[JustaServant]

Smaneck,

No, I am not interested. It is rumored that John Nelson Darby read Fiore;s work and that is where he got is ideas. I know of this…

Much of what Darby believed he got from an insane member of his congregaion.

 

[CMSUVulcan]

I have a question.

People keep saying that the Saint Malachy prophesies are a forgery, because they showed up after his death. But, they still have matched with the Popes, how do you explain that?
After they were published, it still kept working, Pope after Pope,etc…
Just curious…

Just from looking at Wikipedia (yes, I know, I know, trust but verify), the answer is vagueness and interpretation. He’s had a few hits, but I wouldn’t say its accurate as much as it is a case of confirmation bias. Something is alleged to be true, so you look for evidence that its true and even if your evidence is scant you use said evidence to say “see, its true.” In all likelyhood it was a forgery written in the 1590s.

 

[smaneck]

People keep saying that the Saint Malachy prophesies are a forgery, because they showed up after his death. But, they still have matched with the Popes, how do you explain that?
After they were published, it still kept working, Pope after Pope,etc…
Just curious…

The descriptions are accurate until about 1590 after which they become too vague. They are published in 1595. Coincidence?

I think not.

 

[Christian_Unity]

I use to follow Hal Lindsey when I worshiped at Calvary Chapel in my younger years. I think many modern day Protestants have an over-emphasis on end times and don’t realize that Left Behind books and movies are fiction.

 

[smaneck]

I use to follow Hal Lindsey when I worshiped at Calvary Chapel in my younger years. I think many modern day Protestants have an over-emphasis on end times and don’t realize that Left Behind books and movies are fiction.

The authors of the Left Behind series think they represent an accurate portrayal of what the Tribulation will be like, but like all Dispensationalists they are drawing on an Anglo-American theology which doesn’t exist until the 19th century. I would recommend that everyone take a look at the program on the Antichrist produced by the History Channel. It presents the evangelical view, but then goes back and examines historical background of these ideas. It really does a good job. I think you find it on Youtube.