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Krisdun
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Are happiness, pleasure and pride all unequivocally linked? I mean can you feel happiness or pleasure without feeling some form of pride or appreciation of oneself which is a sin?
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Feeling appreciation of oneself is not a sin. Falsely elevating yourself is. The great sin of Pride is in intentionally or unintentionally placing yourself above God. If you can thank God for giving you the gifts that enabled you to accomplish whatever you are taking pleasure in, you probably aren’t engaging in that sin.
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Krisdun
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It always seems to me that I get punished in some way after feeling any happiness or pleasure in my life let alone displaying any form of personal pride. That is what makes me think these feelings are closely linked.
Also it is mentioned in the bible;
‘Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him’
Also it is mentioned in the bible;
‘Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him’
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That’s happenstance. Or possibly enemy action.
I would count myself very blessed if I always was punished quickly for my sins because that would mean God was giving me a lesser punishment. Sins are normally their own punishment and that is much, much worse.
If you want to take that verse to heart then when you accomplish something good, give thanks to God for His help. When you feel you are being punished, give thanks to God for the opportunity to depend on Him more fully. The former accomplishment is not a sin, the latter pain is not a punishment, but both of them are opportunities to love God and if you take them you are loving the Father over the world.
I would count myself very blessed if I always was punished quickly for my sins because that would mean God was giving me a lesser punishment. Sins are normally their own punishment and that is much, much worse.
If you want to take that verse to heart then when you accomplish something good, give thanks to God for His help. When you feel you are being punished, give thanks to God for the opportunity to depend on Him more fully. The former accomplishment is not a sin, the latter pain is not a punishment, but both of them are opportunities to love God and if you take them you are loving the Father over the world.
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Vico
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Proverbs 3Are happiness, pleasure and pride all unequivocally linked? I mean can you feel happiness or pleasure without feeling some form of pride or appreciation of oneself which is a sin?
Proverbs 1112 Blessed is the man that findeth wisdom, and is rich in prudence:
1 John 21 Where pride is, there also shall be reproach: but where humility is, there also is wisdom.
Matthew 615 Love not the world, nor the things which are in the world. If any man love the world, the charity of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world is the concupiscence of the flesh and the concupiscence of the eyes and the pride of life, which is not of the Father but is of the world. 17 And the world passeth away and the concupiscence thereof: but he that doth the will of God abideth for ever.
24 No man can serve two masters. For either he will hate the one, and love the other: or he will sustain the one, and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.
blackforest
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Would you feel comfortable providing an example?It always seems to me that I get punished in some way after feeling any happiness or pleasure in my life let alone displaying any form of personal pride.
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fhansen
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No. Self-love is healthy and proper to our created natures. Aquinas describes pride as “Inordinate self love”, which is to want more glory or excellence for ourselves than we’re naturally due. This results in a false, distorted view of ourselves and in any case causes a great deal of problems, a great deal of sin, in our world.
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Yes true. If we love “things” because we think they are valuable or more precious than God, that is terrible. However, if we, say, appreciate a sunset and say “I love this, because God made it and He is a wonderful Creator,” then it may be a good thing. Just make sure that whatever you find pleasure in on Earth is because you love how God created it for you to find pleasure in it for His glory. Then, the love really circles back to God, not just the “thing.” We can even find pleasure suffering righteously, if we know it pleases God!Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him
As for loving yourself, I find it fascinating that Jesus did not simply say “Love your neighbor.” He said “Love your neighbor as yourself.” So it can be concluded that He expects us to love ourselves.
But we must always love God infinitely more than we love ourselves. Jesus makes it seem as though loving yourself reasonably, (because God created you and you realize you are His child and His “wonderfully and fearfully made” creation) is good. But as for how we should love God, it is a whole different, incomparable scale.
“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?"Jesus replied: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.” (Matthew 22:36-37)
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