Hardcore Vestment for the Laity

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I wish Catholic Answers, EWTN would get together and design a simple and cheap “vestment” for orthodox laity to wear to Mass to show their support for the Church and the Pope.

I have no real idea what the garment would look like. Perhaps a vest (like the guys at the hardware store wear) that could be worn over anything? Maybe something that could be kept in one’s car trunk.

Maybe a deep red in color (martyrs.) A good looking crucifix pin would be nice for starters. A nice embroidered patch of the Vatican flag would also be nice.

Individuals could go from there. Add their KofC pins, etc.

I would certainly buy such a garment…
 
Our SFO group kicked around the idea of getting permission to wear Franciscan robes to Mass, but figured it wouldn’t fly! 😃
My dd was given one when she was a baby - she was so cute in it!

The KofC guys have special shirts they wear on the Sundays of their meetings & special occasions.

After last Sunday I’m all for some sort of dress code or uniform. There were not 1, but 2 ladies wearing see through blouses! They weren’t teens, either, but old enough to know better. 😦

In our alternative education program, we keep a big, ugly shirt on hand to cover anyone who wears revealing clothes to school. That shirt is so ugly the offender never does it again!

Why not something like that at church? The greeters could offer the right hand of fellowship & a modest cover-up at the same time!
 
Maybe we should all wear white wool shirts and be part of “the flock”.
 
The Lay person is to carry Christ into the world so their “vestment” is that which allows them to freely move about in the world. When someone wears a “special vestment” it draws attention to them instead of where it should be directed. As noted above the Third Order Franciscans have access to the Franciscan habit they can be buried in it and can wear it at or during fraternity functions or meetings. They cannot wear it in public because their mission is to bring Christ into the everyday world so they must blend into the world. They can however wear the “Cord” in public if they wish.
 
Br. Rich SFO:
The Lay person is to carry Christ into the world so their “vestment” is that which allows them to freely move about in the world. When someone wears a “special vestment” it draws attention to them instead of where it should be directed. As noted above the Third Order Franciscans have access to the Franciscan habit they can be buried in it and can wear it at or during fraternity functions or meetings. They cannot wear it in public because their mission is to bring Christ into the everyday world so they must blend into the world. They can however wear the “Cord” in public if they wish.
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Actually the “vestment” proper to all baptised Catholics is the white alb…

That said, the garment I suggested would be worn to Mass to show support for the Church and the Pope of Rome. Simply a showing of orthodox Catholicism.

I’m not sure why an SFOer would ever wear the Fransican habit. If I understand correctly, it’s highly discouraged, even in the instances you mentioned.

As for wearing the cincture, that too would be wrong, unless it did not have the three knots that show the friar has made vows of obedience, chastity and poverty – not all of which are required to be an SFOer…
 
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Bonnie:
Our SFO group kicked around the idea of getting permission to wear Franciscan robes to Mass, but figured it wouldn’t fly! 😃
My dd was given one when she was a baby - she was so cute in it!

The KofC guys have special shirts they wear on the Sundays of their meetings & special occasions.

After last Sunday I’m all for some sort of dress code or uniform. There were not 1, but 2 ladies wearing see through blouses! They weren’t teens, either, but old enough to know better. 😦

In our alternative education program, we keep a big, ugly shirt on hand to cover anyone who wears revealing clothes to school. That shirt is so ugly the offender never does it again!

Why not something like that at church? The greeters could offer the right hand of fellowship & a modest cover-up at the same time!
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An orthodox Catholic bowling shirt! Excellent idea!
 
A few of us have experimented making a so-called ‘lay vestment’ especially emboddying the ‘minor orders’(which are now applied to the laity…in way…i know… *Ministeria Quaedam would be too long to quote.) *

It turned into a kind of superhero looking suit one would use to battle satanists. It was modeled on the cassock, but with a web belt for a fascia. their was a kind of very light flowing cope sewn onto the shoulders that would hide the shoulder holsters containing loaded bottles and (forgive me) the squirt gun of exorcised Holy Water and salt. you had a rosary looped around the left at the waist, a bad of medals in the right pocket. you were required to wear the brown scapular underneath and a st. benedict crucifix.

While the idea was not able to go into any mass implementation it did provide us with a great new comic book about seminarians who go about breaking up covens and black masses, along with several insider only seminarian and catholic jokes. so it wasn’t a total loss.

(Sorry for completely diverting from the original post idea)

Sem. Dan
 
SeminarianDan completely made me forget what I wanted to post! I had to go back and find it. 😃
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Bonnie:
In our alternative education program, we keep a big, ugly shirt on hand to cover anyone who wears revealing clothes to school. That shirt is so ugly the offender never does it again!

Why not something like that at church? The greeters could offer the right hand of fellowship & a modest cover-up at the same time!
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At the Shrine of the Most Blessed Sacrament’s website, it states the dress code and also that “temporary apparel” is available if one is not dressed properly. I wish we had that here!
 
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Crusader:
I wish Catholic Answers, EWTN would get together and design a simple and cheap “vestment” for orthodox laity to wear to Mass to show their support for the Church and the Pope.

I have no real idea what the garment would look like. Perhaps a vest (like the guys at the hardware store wear) that could be worn over anything? Maybe something that could be kept in one’s car trunk.

Maybe a deep red in color (martyrs.) A good looking crucifix pin would be nice for starters. A nice embroidered patch of the Vatican flag would also be nice.

Individuals could go from there. Add their KofC pins, etc.

I would certainly buy such a garment…
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Crusader:
I wish Catholic Answers, EWTN would get together and design a simple and cheap “vestment” for orthodox laity to wear to Mass to show their support for the Church and the Pope.

I have no real idea what the garment would look like. Perhaps a vest (like the guys at the hardware store wear) that could be worn over anything? Maybe something that could be kept in one’s car trunk.

Maybe a deep red in color (martyrs.) A good looking crucifix pin would be nice for starters. A nice embroidered patch of the Vatican flag would also be nice.

Individuals could go from there. Add their KofC pins, etc.

I would certainly buy such a garment…
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We already HAVE an orthodox garment. Why not wear your Scapular on the outside of your clothing?
 
Rick Bohler:
We already HAVE an orthodox garment. Why not wear your Scapular on the outside of your clothing?
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Because a scapular does not specifically show support for the Church and the Pope of Rome.

It’s also not a garment.
 
May I offer a gentle correction? The Scapular IS a garment. It is simply a reduction in size of the Scapular of the religious. It has also been called “the Little Habit”. The Scapular was originally a large “apron” that covered both front and back of a religious. Thus the symbolism of Our Lady’s protection (from all directions). And as for not identifying one as an orthodox Catholic…When did you ever see a liberal “catholic” wearing a Scapular? And for those enrolled in the Carmelite consecration, we have the Blessed Mother’s promise “Whosoever dies wearing this Scapular shall not suffer eternal fire.” You would also be spreading a wonderful devotion to Our Lady.
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Crusader:
Because a scapular does not specifically show support for the Church and the Pope of Rome.

It’s also not a garment.
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Bonnie:
In our alternative education program, we keep a big, ugly shirt on hand to cover anyone who wears revealing clothes to school. That shirt is so ugly the offender never does it again!

Why not something like that at church? The greeters could offer the right hand of fellowship & a modest cover-up at the same time!
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I saw a news item on EWTN that, to meet the dress code in the very hot weather, they had to give out disposable PAPER clothes at St Peters basilica!
 
SeminarianDan said:
…It turned into a kind of superhero looking suit one would use to battle satanists. It was modeled on the cassock, but with a web belt for a fascia. their was a kind of very light flowing cope sewn onto the shoulders that would hide the shoulder holsters containing loaded bottles and (forgive me) the squirt gun of exorcised Holy Water and salt. you had a rosary looped around the left at the waist, a bad of medals in the right pocket. you were required to wear the brown scapular underneath and a st. benedict crucifix.

While the idea was not able to go into any mass implementation it did provide us with a great new comic book about seminarians who go about breaking up covens and black masses, along with several insider only seminarian and catholic jokes. so it wasn’t a total loss.

(Sorry for completely diverting from the original post idea)

Sem. Dan
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That was hilarious. I nearly fell out of my chair laughing when I read “it turned into a kind of superhero looking suit”. Cassocks aren’t really proper to the minor orders, at least not as appropriate as an alb would be, but I’d still love to have one of these.

I’ve got to ask though - if this layperson is wearing a cassock, why should they wear the brown scapular underneath it? Why not just wear the full scapular over their cassock, as was always intended?

Furthermore, they should have the Benedictine crucifix attached to their rosary, as many Dominicans friends have done.That way, not only would they have a good Benedictine crucifix on their person (and on their rosary), but it’s guaranteed to be HUGE.
 
Nicely said, Rick Bohler! The scapular is a fantastic idea. We also have several ladies in our parish who are third-order Franciscans (lay members, if I have that right) and their wooden Tau cross is very visible and lovely to behold. I’d also be totally for head veils, too (I’ve been thinking about that very thing lately!).
 
Crusader said:
I wish Catholic Answers, EWTN would get together and design a simple and cheap “vestment” for orthodox laity to wear to Mass to show their support for the Church and the Pope.
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My problem is that many times people here use “orthodox catholic” as a synonym for “good catholic”. I’m not sure if that is the intent here, but it is likely that the OP can’t clarify (as his account has been banned).

I would tend to want to leave the distinction of either good/bad catholic, or orthodox/unorthodox catholic to God, and not man. The last time man tried to separate sheep and goats, we got the Inquisition.
 
A loyalty vestment. Seriously? Don’t we all show our support for the Church and the Pope by our attedance at Mass or through living a live in line with the Church’s teachings? Do we need to show our loyalty by a vestment? What’s next, only people who are willing to wear these vestments can be readers, serve as emHC, become acolytes, or receive Holy Orders?

Furthermore, a loyalty vestment created by CAF and EWTN would be whole inappropriate, as it would also imply loyalty to those organizations. It would be as if one were saying, “Through CAF and EWTN, I am loyal to the Pope.” CAF and EWTN exist to educate the Faithful, but are not official organizations endorsed by the Church like orders, Opus Dei, and the KofC are. Wearing the “uniform” of those organizations doesn’t imply a loyalty separate from the Magesterium, because those uniforms indicate membership, not loyalty.

I am content to show my loyalty to the Church through attendance at Mass, serving the Church, and trying to live the Christian life. Whether or not others are doing that is not for me to judge or even to know. That’s up to God.

What an arrogant idea.
 
If you look at the original post, it was opened in June 2004…
 
MusicMan said:
A loyalty vestment. Seriously? Don’t we all show our support for the Church and the Pope by our attedance at Mass or through living a live in line with the Church’s teachings? Do we need to show our loyalty by a vestment? What’s next, only people who are willing to wear these vestments can be readers, serve as emHC, become acolytes, or receive Holy Orders?
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I get what you are saying but I can also understand where the OP is coming from.

Just because one attends Mass does not mean that they support the Church and its Teachings. There are many who claim to be Catholics out there who are pro-abortion, pro-priestess, and other such nonsense that goes against the actual Teachings of the Catholic Church.

There are some who do already where distinctive garments, clerics and habits to be specific, who hold such opinions.

But I do agree with you, this is not the way to go about it.
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If you look at the original post, it was opened in June 2004…
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So?
 
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