Harry Potter is back again...;-)

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estesbob said:
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Bob, I think we’ve already established that those spells don’t really work. Besides, that’s an Unforgivable Curse and is likely to get you thrown off the forums!
 
Allegra said:
Bob, I think we’ve already established that those spells don’t really work. Besides, that’s an Unforgivable Curse and is likely to get you thrown off the forums!
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No no…that’s a new spell :D:D
 
Allegra said:
Unfortunatly, I think you and I are on the same page of Harry Potter, so that mythical individual you described in your previous post would have to appear in order for such a discussion to take place. (By this, I mean a person who has read at least some of the story and would like to express concerns based on evidence from the series, not the fabrications of those who use a popular book to sell books of their own.)

However, the point that someone presented in another thread which I wanted to hear response to was the objection that Harry is an immoral hero becasue he cheats at Quidditch. I thought this was interesting because I don’t recall this episode occuring in the books I read. I was wondering if the poster was referring to the time when Harry pretended to put “Performance Enhancing Potion” in his friend’s drink just prior to the match. If this is the case, it was evident that Harry didn’t actually cheat since he didn’t really use the potion at all, he was just trying to boost his friend’s confidence. Even so, he got quite chewed out by Hermoine, so cheating is never really portrayed as an acceptable practice. I can’t think of any other “cheating” situation, but I don’t exactly have the books memorized, nor do I own copies for reference.
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That is the ONLY thing they could have been referencing = “Performance Enhancing Potion”
 
kimmielittle said:
No no…that’s a new spell :D:D
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Indeed. In fact, I think I’ll make one myself! :whacky:

Apoy… lupa… tubig… hangin… Septendicum spiritus aerials, countes…Saggitta Magica, Wries Fulguralis!!!

randomly launches seventeen lightning bolts

Gyaahahahahahahahah!!! >8D
 
Lost_Wanderer said:
Indeed. In fact, I think I’ll make one myself! :whacky:

Apoy… lupa… tubig… hangin… Septendicum spiritus aerials, countes…Saggitta Magica, Wries Fulguralis!!!

randomly launches seventeen lightning bolts

Gyaahahahahahahahah!!! >8D
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Thanks a lot-you just fried my large screen tv!!!
 
Lost_Wanderer said:
Indeed. In fact, I think I’ll make one myself! :whacky:

Apoy… lupa… tubig… hangin… Septendicum spiritus aerials, countes…Saggitta Magica, Wries Fulguralis!!!

randomly launches seventeen lightning bolts

Gyaahahahahahahahah!!! >8D
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Oooooo…could you make them in burple please?
 
estesbob said:
Thanks a lot-you just fried my large screen tv!!!
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Umm… Reparo? :o fixes TV

Anyways, I would like post #92 to be my Declaration of Challenge!! >8D

To hallmark the difference between bland reality and aweshum fantasy, I dare anyone to demonstrate their epic fantasy might!
 
Lost_Wanderer said:
Umm… Reparo? :o fixes TV

Anyways, I would like post #92 to be my Declaration of Challenge!! >8D

To hallmark the difference between bland reality and aweshum fantasy, I dare anyone to demonstrate their epic fantasy might!
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reaparo tvaro plus a $200 check to the local tv repairman fixes it everytime.
 
Wow, I haven’t been here for years, but I saw an HP thread in a google search and thought I’d stop by again. 🙂

It’s like a breath of fresh air to see so many level-headed people in one place! I’ve been on a Lifesite News article defending the HP series against nay-sayers who are only seeing the potential of evil and not the evil itself. sigh Furthermore, the article and the commenters attempted to paint Potter fans who objected to the critiques of Catholics who don’t care for the series to be hostile maniacs.

I wish more people would see that entertaining different media is really a matter of different sensibilities. Why is there so much extremism in the United States today? Be it politics or even popular culture, there’s always a war going on somewhere. :confused:
 
For those who can’t get enough criticism of Harry Potter, I came across a very recent interview with Michael O’Brien

lifesitenews.com/resources/michael-obrien-responds-to-his-critics-re-harry-potter

via Patrick Madrid’s blog

patrickmadrid.com/michael-obrien-responds-to-his-critics-regarding-harry-potter/

In the whole Harry Potter debate, I think what bothers me the most is when people (and I’ve seen this from people on both sides of the debate) paint their opponents as zealous, rabid, overly-emotional reactionaries who offer nothing but knee-jerk, irrational responses to any and all criticism.

To that charge, I say, “Welcome to the Age of the Internet.” 😛

Seriously, though, there are always people who have strong reactions, people who do not articulate their thoughts very well, people who are not open to other points of view, etc. It doesn’t matter what side of what issue you are discussing, there will be such people. But I think it’s borderline ad hominem to use this as an “argument” for one’s own position. I find it regrettable that both Patrick Madrid and Michael O’Brien seem to be playing that card. I respect them both greatly as Catholic writers.
 
Joe_5859 said:
For those who can’t get enough criticism of Harry Potter, I came across a very recent interview with Michael O’Brien

lifesitenews.com/resources/michael-obrien-responds-to-his-critics-re-harry-potter

via Patrick Madrid’s blog

patrickmadrid.com/michael-obrien-responds-to-his-critics-regarding-harry-potter/

In the whole Harry Potter debate, I think what bothers me the most is when people (and I’ve seen this from people on both sides of the debate) paint their opponents as zealous, rabid, overly-emotional reactionaries who offer nothing but knee-jerk, irrational responses to any and all criticism.

To that charge, I say, “Welcome to the Age of the Internet.” 😛

Seriously, though, there are always people who have strong reactions, people who do not articulate their thoughts very well, people who are not open to other points of view, etc. It doesn’t matter what side of what issue you are discussing, there will be such people. But I think it’s borderline ad hominem to use this as an “argument” for one’s own position. I find it regrettable that both Patrick Madrid and Michael O’Brien seem to be playing that card. I respect them both greatly as Catholic writers.
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That’s the exact same discussion I was participating in!

I agree with you 100%. What irked me the most about the interview with Michael O’Brien is how Lifesite News seemed to be playing up O’Brien’s position on the matter.

Besides that were the comments. So condescending, juvenile, and presumptuous. I wish people would read the books and then do critical analysis of the story to back up their claims. So far, I’ve heard not one good reason to discourage the faithful from reading the series. Sure, they’re not the greatest tomes of literature, but when’s the last time a kid sat and read a 870 page book in 3 days?
 
Corpus_Cristi said:
That’s the exact same discussion I was participating in!

I agree with you 100%. What irked me the most about the interview with Michael O’Brien is how Lifesite News seemed to be playing up O’Brien’s position on the matter.

Besides that were the comments. So condescending, juvenile, and presumptuous. I wish people would read the books and then do critical analysis of the story to back up their claims. So far, I’ve heard not one good reason to discourage the faithful from reading the series. Sure, they’re not the greatest tomes of literature, but when’s the last time a kid sat and read a 870 page book in 3 days?
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This paragraph from the LSN interview in particular bothered me:

O’BRIEN: Yes, as with all addictions, the addicted person will present—in a calm reasonable tone—many arguments “proving” why he or she should remain a consumer of whatever is enslaving them. Now, “enslavement” and “addiction” is probably over-stating the case, but surely we should ask ourselves why we are consuming, with so little self-examination, cultural material that we have come to feel we can’t do without? Why are we not applying normal, prudential, critical analysis to material that has such a power over us? What’s happening inside of us that we cannot question it?

I find it more than a little condascending, not to mention contrary to my own experience. For years, I agreed with O’Brien. I love O’Brien’s novels. I accepted his criticism of Potter uncritically because of the great respect I had for him as a Catholic author (and also because I’m predisposed to reject anything that is insanely popular ;)).

Years ago, I recognized many of the “Pro-Potter” arguments as the same type of arguments used to justify The DaVinci Code. “It’s just fiction!” or “Hey, at least they’re reading something” always struck me as weak arguments, so I became even more firmly entrenched in my suspicion of Potter.

It wasn’t until I looked at the books for myself and did that “self-examination” and “normal, prudential, critical analysis” that I came to the conclusion that I disagree and think O’Brien is wrong on this issue. That isn’t something I did willy-nilly because I’m some uncritical Potter fanboy. If anything, I was an O’Brien fanboy and disagreeing with his take on Potter ran counter to what I would have preferred to do.

I really do not dismiss his criticisms out-of-hand. I don’t fault him for asking questions. We should ask questions. I think it’s good for us to pause and give some serious thought to what we let our children read. And I think there are parts of Potter that warrant criticism. But I think that there’s much more good than bad and that it’s worth reading (and believe me, I used to be of the mind that I would rather re-read Lord of the Rings or Chronicles of Narnia than “waste time” on Potter).

I would love to see a healthy reasoned debate on Potter. I think it could be very fruitful. But I haven’t come across one so far…
 
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