Harsh Jail Penalties for Making False/Malicious DSS/CPS Reports

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Right now anyone can report anyone else for child abuse or neglect without cause, proof, or accountability. Many innocent parents lose custody of their children or at least are forced to undergo long, invasive, unwarranted investigations due to false or malicious reports
As the freedom to abuse CPS reporting is a violation of family right, I figured I’d post the topic here and see who wants to band together to prevent such crimes against the family by proposing and encouraging the establishment of strictly enforced, harsh criminal penalties for everyone found to have committed such a brutal and malicious crime against innocent parents? I mean HARD penalties, like a minimum of 25 years, maximum of life in prison, to suit the brutal severity of trying to take away something more previous than ones life, ONES CHILDREN.
Anyone agree or have anything to add?
 
Right now anyone can report anyone else for child abuse or neglect without cause, proof, or accountability. Many innocent parents lose custody of their children or at least are forced to undergo long, invasive, unwarranted investigations due to false or malicious reports
As the freedom to abuse CPS reporting is a violation of family right, I figured I’d post the topic here and see who wants to band together to prevent such crimes against the family by proposing and encouraging the establishment of strictly enforced, harsh criminal penalties for everyone found to have committed such a brutal and malicious crime against innocent parents? I mean HARD penalties, like a minimum of 25 years, maximum of life in prison, to suit the brutal severity of trying to take away something more previous than ones life, ONES CHILDREN.
Anyone agree or have anything to add?
Yeah: you are way out of line here.

If some family is undergoing abuse at the hands of a government agency, they need to find a lawyer and file a suit. If they are being harassed by an individual they need a court order and another suit.

These reporting laws were put into place after numerous tragedies where children were killed and police were helpless to enter a home to investigate because they had someone’s suspicions and no evidence of exigent circumstances.

As a police officer, I investigated plenty of anonymous child neglect and abuse cases. Most were unfounded and I never had a problem with the people. Some needed intervention and I took the kids. Thank God, I had the authority to take the kids.

Are there occasional injustices? It happens. But making reporting so scary because of harsh penalties that people won’t call and kids keep suffering and dying? No way.
 
Right now anyone can report anyone else for child abuse or neglect without cause, proof, or accountability. Many innocent parents lose custody of their children or at least are forced to undergo long, invasive, unwarranted investigations due to false or malicious reports
As the freedom to abuse CPS reporting is a violation of family right, I figured I’d post the topic here and see who wants to band together to prevent such crimes against the family by proposing and encouraging the establishment of strictly enforced, harsh criminal penalties for everyone found to have committed such a brutal and malicious crime against innocent parents? I mean HARD penalties, like a minimum of 25 years, maximum of life in prison, to suit the brutal severity of trying to take away something more previous than ones life, ONES CHILDREN.

Anyone agree or have anything to add?
I disagree completely.

I have never seen a person jailed or lose their children over abuse or neglect without cause, proof, or accountability. They might be investigated, but usually those are very quick affairs when it is discovered “nothing to see here”. On the contrary I’ve seen many cases were REAL and horrible cases of abuse are “investigated” and nothing is done until the child suffers a massive injury that prevents the case from being igonored.
 
Hmm, here’s how I call this one…

Low post count.
Controversial topic addressed with a lack of clarity or charity.
Almost nothing to do, except in a tangential way, with Catholic teaching on Social Justice.

Well, all I can say is:
Scandinavian Mountain Creature Alert!! 😃
 
I understand and agree with you that it is absolutely terrible, life changingly devastating, to be falsely accused of allegations and have your child taken away.

None of us can imagine the pain worry anxiety and distress this causes unless we have been in a simislar situaiton.

A few years ago a false allegation was made about a family member of mine…I know how awful and painful this situation can be. It destroyed this person’s life in so many ways for such a long time after the allegation was proven false.

On the other hand we need to protect all our children throughout the world. While the vast majority of parents are excellent and love their children and will protect them and raise them safely…sadly there are other parents who may need support or are having a difficult relationship or illness where they are not able to be the praents they need to be.There are also parents who have major problems and perhaps don’t recognise they are perhaps neglecting or abusing their child.

Whatever the reason, parents need to be supported, but the child needs love and security and safety.

For those who are wrongly accused it is unbearable…I can only imagine the deep distress I would suffer if it had ever happened to me.

For those who were found innocent after being wrongly accused they need to have support and understanding from those in authority. It is a difficult place though for a social worker to be in.If they do not act on an allegation and remove a child (while an investigation is undertaken) and then something happens to that child then they are held accountable and a child has been harmed or worse needlessly.

It is difficult for us to see it from all points of view and hwo can we eradicate false alegations? Social services will always have to investigate becuase the consequences of not investigasting is too awful to imagine…

Either way there will always be a victim. If the allegation os false the victim is the praent wrongly accused…if the allegation is true and no investigsation is taken the victim is the child.

It is an awful situation.

May God bless all who have been falsely accused and all victims and their perpatrators.
 
I won’t go as far as the OP, who sure seems angry, but I do think CPS needs their fangs filed down. It is no protection to screw up the home lifes of children without cause. The current system makes them error on what is falsely called the side of caution, so err they do. A lot. Children will sometimes be hurt or even killed in a home situation. CPS can not change this. The attempt to do the impossible will injury more kids than they protect.
 
I won’t go as far as the OP, who sure seems angry, but I do think CPS needs their fangs filed down. It is no protection to screw up the home lifes of children without cause. The current system makes them error on what is falsely called the side of caution, so err they do. A lot. Children will sometimes be hurt or even killed in a home situation. CPS can not change this. The attempt to do the impossible will injury more kids than they protect.
I agree. I think OP’s proposed penalties are a bit over the top, but there should be some penalty for filing false reports. Somewhere in the Torah (I don’t have time to hunt it down right now) there is a stipulation that someone who bears false witness in a court case is to receive the same penalty that he was trying to have imposed on the innocent person. The principle here is that a person who makes false accusations should not get off scot-free.
 
Anyone agree or have anything to add?
I agree there should be penalties for knowingly and willfully making false reports to CPS against parents or one parent making a report against another. But I believe there can be and are cases where someone suspects (like a neighbor) a child may be being abused or neglected and in good faith calls to report they suspect there may be abuse or neglect and state their reasons why, but making it clear they are not sure and are making a report as a sort of better safe than sorry situation. I think that there is a huge difference between the two, one being making lies and knowingly making false reports, the other being calling to be better safe tan sorry. I’m not sure how the better safe than sorry reports play out, if they take the kids away automatically I think that the system is very broken. At least in my state I am aware that parents may call on themselves, reporting something like they are very stressed in managing their children and asking for and receving support from CPS where they don’t take the kids away, they assign a case manaager and help the parents learn coping skills, get counseling, etc.

As far as the 25 years, I don’t know if I’d go that harsh, considering that murders can get lesser sentences.

I also think that there should be harsh penalties for false reports of rape. It’s one of those things that once the allegation is made, and it is made public, the person’s reputation/character is destroyed. I think that the only punnishment for doing that is ‘making a false report to the police’ where there is definitely no jail time and possibly not even any probation. I remember reading of one case several years back in the newspaper. The guy’s name was published along with the report and like a summary of what the allegations details were. Then a few weeks later there was a follow-up story of how the report was false and it was for some very obvious reasons that I do not recall.

Men are stronger than women. Angry men who want to hurt a woman may hit/beat her or rape her (possibly angry at women in general for whatever reasons in the cases of the victim being random vs. date rape). Angry women who want to hurt a man generally will not hit/beat him, I assume it’s because they are less strong and fear they would be beaten after the hitting turns into a physical fight. Angry women who want to hurt a man may get a family member or friend to hit/beat the man. They also may make a false report of rape or a false report of physical abuse to the police as the action to take out their anger on the man. I think that there should be much stronger punnishment for doing such things than there are now. The man’s reputation is destroyed and they get a criminal record. The woman gets no punnishment for doing this or if there is a punnishment it is very, very minor. I think there should be a strong punnishment for false reports to the police for rape or physical violence.

I have never had this happen to me but I have had my wife use as a weapon when angry with me telling me she will call the police on me (with the implication being she would falsely report physical abuse). She did this one time because (and I’m not joking or exaggerating) I wore jeans to a party instead of slacks. At the party she kept complaining that I was wearing jeans. I forget if she told me to go home and change or if she just kept complaining I was wearing jeans, but I left the party (at her sisters house full of family and friends that could easily give her a ride home which was like 3 minutes away) and went home with the intentions of remaining at home. She kept calling me and telling me to put slacks on and return to the party and I kept saying I was not going to do that. She then told me if I didn’t put slacks on and return to the party she would call the police on me (the implication being she would report I physically abused her) and I’m not kidding about this story. The second time I forget the circumstances. But even her making the theat to me was very scary, I can’t emphasize enough how scary and powerless I felt. Then there was a time when I was taking her shopping and was a little lost. She was yelling at me in the car. This was so distracting that at one point I had the right of way and there was another car close by and the guy gave me this look like “go ahead and drive stupid, you have the right of way”. I then realized that it was dangerous for me to be driving with her yelling at me. I told her that she needed to stop yelling at me for me to continue to look for the store or ask someone for directions or else I was driving straight home (which I could basically do on auto-piolet even if she continued yelling, which was the only safe option). She kept yelling at me. I drove home. Close to home she demanded I stop the car and let her out. I tried to reason with her to let me continue to drive us both home. She insisted I stop and let her out, so I did. Now during this whole time I had never raised my voice and for the most part was not talking at all.

To be continued due to long post…
 
When I got home I suspected she was going to make the threat to me about calling the police so I called the police and told the officer the story and asked for advice saying I suspected that when she got home she was going to make this threat to me. He didn’t really give me any good feedback. But I put the police stations number in my cell contacts list. He was annoyed by my call, I could tell he didn’t even want to listen to me. She got home, continued with her yelling ranting, turned on the radio and turned it up loud as an addtional way to annoy me and at one point said “I’m going to call my brother and call the police”. I immediately called the police myself (I was in the bedroom with the door closed, leaning against the door to try and prevent her from coming in the bedroom to yell at me in there, trying to stay away from her. I reported to the police my wife was ranting, blasting music, making threats of calling the police on me for no reason. The officer was acting like this was no issue. I know the law which is if your in fear for your safety you can call for domestic violence. So I kept stresssing that in the past she has thrown things around the house and I was not sure what she was going to do but I was afraid for my safety and didn’t know what she might do and they agreed to send a car.

I then told my wife that I myself had just called the police on her and they were coming. She stopped yelling, turned the radio off and sat quietly on the couch. I remained quiet like I had been doing. The police arrived and I started to tell the officer what had happened. He asked me to go outside with him to talk. I responed by stating that she was the one being verbally abusive and I was the one who called and was in fear of my safety and felt that she should be the one to go outside to talk (based on TV shows I know that they separate the parties in domestic violence reports to get the stories). He then yelled at me “Now I’m TELLING YOU TO GET OUTSIDE”. I know the law and know it’s against the law to disobey a police offiers orders (the first time it was a suggestion, this was an order) so now I became very afraid and was shaking and walked outside with him. His parter had just arrived and went in to talk with my wife. I felt humiliated and degraded standing outside with the police officer, neighbors were looking on, and it felt like they were assuming that I must have done something wrong like been the agressor.

Fortunately for me my wife told the officer the truth and didn’t like. He came outside and said that my wife would like for us both to stay at home (I didn’t ask or suggest that she be made to leave but based on the way the first cop treated me I was basically afraid to even ask if that was a possibility). I said OK and told them that if she brought up going shopping again today and started in with the ranting verbal abuse I would be calling them again. I told them I would be happy to take her tomorrow to the store and if she wanted to go for lunch or whatever we could do that as well but I was not going to take her shopping today. They left.

So in addition to the effects of my wife ranting, etc for like 1/2 hour in the car and then continueing at home and making the threat I also felt violated by the police. I am certain that if my wife had called on me they would not have insisted she go outside to talk to one cop while I stayed inside to talk to the other. I also know that I could have possibly been arrested for disobeying a police officers order if I refused to go outside when he ordered me to do so. (I also question the safety of that tactic, leaving the one reported to be the agressor inside by herself for like 30 seconds or 1 minute while I, the victim was outside with the cop. She could have picked up a gun and shot at me/him while we were outside (longshot but a possibility as the police don’t know her from anyone else). I felt humiliated by being outside with the neighbors looking on, I’m certain they assumed I did something wrong to my wife.

So there is a LOT of bias IMO with the police on any DV call to them if it’s a male reporting against a female. I suspet in that case it was up to the point whree the cop would have taken pleasure of telling me to turn around and put my hands behind my back if I didn’t go outside when he ordered me to do so. I’m pretty certain that if a woman calls on a man the woman staying inside and the man goes outside while they each tell their story to the police. Fortunately for me that stopped my wife from making threats to call the police and fortunately she didn’t lie to the police when they arrived. So this is an example of the way woman use the police to agress against a male when they are angry at them and in many cases the woman will actually call the police and make up a story and the man gets charged with DV which is a very bad thing to have on your record (your a woman beater to any job application when they check your record, could be published in the paper in the section where they report local crimes week by week and report the names of those arrested along with the charge.

And I don’t think there is any punnishment if it is proven false. The pendulum has swung too far the other way from 50 years ago where men would beat their wives and get little to no punnishment. So in addtion to the CPS reports I think false reports of rape or DV against a man should have a harsh punnishment, at least being taken into custody and kept in the police stations jail overnight up to some jail time for false reports of rape. My very long 2 cents.

God Bless,
Bill
 
I agree. I think OP’s proposed penalties are a bit over the top, but there should be some penalty for filing false reports. Somewhere in the Torah (I don’t have time to hunt it down right now) there is a stipulation that someone who bears false witness in a court case is to receive the same penalty that he was trying to have imposed on the innocent person. The principle here is that a person who makes false accusations should not get off scot-free.
Sorry to self-refer, but it took me a couple days to get around to finding the relevant verses. Here they are, Deut. 19:17-19:
17Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days;
18And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother;
19Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you.
 
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