Heaven on Earth?

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It feels like “eternal life” and “heaven with jesus” are merely incentives to get people to believe, sort of like offering something in return for a lifetime of chores/activities/thoughts. I heard an interesting idea mentioned at a Catholic prayer service recently, which made me think. A member of the church had a life experience to share with us, and he related it to his faith, and he mentioned that living a true christian life, and truly loving God, would bring eternal life in heaven, and also a taste of the joy of eternal life here on earth. This made me wonder: is eternal life in heaven, with jesus, really a metaphor for what we experience here on earth if we live a christian lifestyle. Not in the sense that we actually live forever, but that we experience those feelings of joy and happiness we would in heaven here on earth if we truly love God and live a christian lifestlye? No doubt this leaves out the hardships and tests of life we all must face, but is it a metaphor for what we could occasionally experience?
 
It feels like “eternal life” and “heaven with jesus” are merely incentives to get people to believe, sort of like offering something in return for a lifetime of chores/activities/thoughts. I heard an interesting idea mentioned at a Catholic prayer service recently, which made me think. A member of the church had a life experience to share with us, and he related it to his faith, and he mentioned that living a true christian life, and truly loving God, would bring eternal life in heaven, and also a taste of the joy of eternal life here on earth. This made me wonder: is eternal life in heaven, with jesus, really a metaphor for what we experience here on earth if we live a christian lifestyle. Not in the sense that we actually live forever, but that we experience those feelings of joy and happiness we would in heaven here on earth if we truly love God and live a christian lifestlye? No doubt this leaves out the hardships and tests of life we all must face, but is it a metaphor for what we could occasionally experience?
This idea mentioned at your “Catholic” prayer service is misguided at best, downright heretical at worst.

I assure you, the Beatific Vision is more then just a metaphor. Beware of these “Catholics” who reduce the faith to metaphors.
 
This idea mentioned at your “Catholic” prayer service is misguided at best, downright heretical at worst.

I assure you, the Beatific Vision is more then just a metaphor. Beware of these “Catholics” who reduce the faith to metaphors.
he mentioned that living a true christian life, and truly loving God, would bring eternal life in heaven, and also a taste of the joy of eternal life here on earth.
Doesn’t sound heretical to me.
 
he mentioned that living a true christian life, and truly loving God, would bring eternal life in heaven, and also a taste of the joy of eternal life here on earth.
Doesn’t sound heretical to me.
Hmm, ok perhaps this isnt the best example of reducing the faith to metaphor.
 
This idea mentioned at your “Catholic” prayer service is misguided at best, downright heretical at worst.

I assure you, the Beatific Vision is more then just a metaphor. Beware of these “Catholics” who reduce the faith to metaphors.
I think the original Catholic speaker was just saying that we enjoy a “slice of Heaven” here on Earth through the Faith. This is not only not heretical, but is actually dogmatic truth. The Sacraments are the direct presence of God, as is Grace in our souls, to say nothing of contemplative prayer. The Beatific Vision is the culmination of this relationship, and surpasses anything we can now imagine, but the relationship and enjoyment of God certainly begins in this life 👍

In other words, I don’t think the original speaker was reducing the Faith to a metaphor, though the OP might be.

Peace and God bless!
 
This made me wonder: is eternal life in heaven, with jesus, really a metaphor for what we experience here on earth if we live a christian lifestyle. Not in the sense that we actually live forever, but that we experience those feelings of joy and happiness we would in heaven here on earth if we truly love God and live a christian lifestlye? No doubt this leaves out the hardships and tests of life we all must face, but is it a metaphor for what we could occasionally experience?
If you identify yourself as a Catholic then you must believe in the resurrection of Jesus. This is where in His dying He destroyed our death and by rising He restored our life. Yes, throughout the sacramental life of the Church we do experience heaven on earth but this is never intended to be the end. The sacramental life here on earth gives us a foretaste of heaven and is totally a different experience than the Beatific Vision which will be ever present to us for all eternity. Read 1Corinthians chapter 13 verse 12. God Bless you.🙂
 
It feels like “eternal life” and “heaven with jesus” are merely incentives to get people to believe, sort of like offering something in return for a lifetime of chores/activities/thoughts. I heard an interesting idea mentioned at a Catholic prayer service recently, which made me think. A member of the church had a life experience to share with us, and he related it to his faith, and he mentioned that living a true christian life, and truly loving God, would bring eternal life in heaven, and also a taste of the joy of eternal life here on earth. This made me wonder: is eternal life in heaven, with jesus, really a metaphor for what we experience here on earth if we live a christian lifestyle. Not in the sense that we actually live forever, but that we experience those feelings of joy and happiness we would in heaven here on earth if we truly love God and live a christian lifestlye? No doubt this leaves out the hardships and tests of life we all must face, but is it a metaphor for what we could occasionally experience?
Icouch: It’s not a metaphor, it’s a small taste or sample of what heaven will be like, when we will see Him. Yes we can and we must begin to build His Kingdom on earth. We pray that every time we pray the Lord’s Prayer, “Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven”. We are each called to begin to build His Kingdom here and now, before we experience it in its fullness after this life is over. Just think if every Christian did their part to closely follow Jesus’ instructions in this life so we could be with Him forever. And no that is not selfish on our part because we are not building the Kingdom on the backs of others for our own gratification, we are building to include as many as are willing to come to Him.

Peace
 
**It feels like **“eternal life” and “heaven with jesus” are merely incentives to get people to believe, sort of like offering something in return for a lifetime of chores/activities/thoughts.
C.S. Lewis points out that people who make this assertion are missing the point. The real question is whether eternal life in heaven is true or not. I think you need to do some real studying and real thinking and answer that question before you off-handedly dismiss the concept. Our “feelings” are the worst basis of all on which to make that all important conclusion.
 
I’m sorry but logic and reason and thinking don’t seem to be the best of ideas for Christianity either. If these rewards are not for our own gratification then why are they mentioned so often. This message can be found throughout the bible: Those who have nothing will get everything, those who have everything will get nothing. Those who are considered “losers” now will reap rewards in heaven, while those who do the name calling will burn. This sort of black-and-white damnation occurs all over the place, and definitely seem to be a way of getting people to join.
So I wonder, does this mean for the Columbine killers?
 
I’m sorry but logic and reason and thinking don’t seem to be the best of ideas for Christianity either. If these rewards are not for our own gratification then why are they mentioned so often. This message can be found throughout the bible: Those who have nothing will get everything, those who have everything will get nothing. Those who are considered “losers” now will reap rewards in heaven, while those who do the name calling will burn. This sort of black-and-white damnation occurs all over the place, and definitely seem to be a way of getting people to join.
So I wonder, does this mean for the Columbine killers?
Icouch: You’re still missing the point of faith in God. What you referred to from the Bible is a paraphrase, (and an incomplete one at that), of the “Beatitudes” from Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount, where he was talking to His disciples. He was not referring to godless people, but people who were already believers, His followers. You see in this life we have to make one of two choices for ourselves; no one else can make that choice for us. One choice is to choose life or the other is to choose death. The former is to follow God, and the latter is to follow the ways of the world. You cannot choose both.

You wrote in a previous post about “joining a religion”, and you repeat that line of thinking in the second to last sentence in the above post. You will never find eternal life by only “joining a religion”, as if it were like joining some man-made club, but eternal life comes only by placing your trust in God. And that is not too difficult to do because God loved all of us so much He sent his Son Jesus to this earth in the form of a man to show us how to come to know God and choose life in Him.

Now in answer to your question about the Columbine Killers, they obviously choose death over life, and they must bear the consequence of their choice, assuming they were sane when making that choice. (That’s why we must avoid judging others because we normally don’t know all the facts.) Aditionally any and all those people who encouraged that horrible choice those boys made for death, by things they did to them or failed to do for them must, also bear some consequence for their actions as well. For the most part all sin is forgivable, but to be forgiven one must at a minimum be sorry for the sin, and seek forgivness therefore, before death. After we die it is too late.

I pray that you choose life over death, God over the world, and if you do that then you should first focus your attention on the teaching of Jesus as found in the scriptures and the teachings of the Church. So for the time being forget about joining any organization, but only look to Jesus and join yourself to Him. Once you do that all the rest of your decisions become so much easier.

May the peace of Christ be with you
 
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