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Do you fear hell and the flames of purgatory?
Hell, yes; purgatory, no.Do you fear hell and the flames of purgatory?
You may find the CCC at 1259 reassuring (emphasis in original):=ote, since I am still an RCIA candidate only, I am not sure what would happen if I die before the Easter Vigil.
For *catechumens *who die before their Baptism, their explicit desire to receive it, together with repentance for their sins, and charity, assures them the salvation that they were not able to receive through the sacrament.
Hmmmm…the word used was catechumans. I hope that extends to us Candidates as well.You may find the CCC at 1259 reassuring (emphasis in original):
Don’t worry. A candidate is a catechuman.Hmmmm…the word used was catechumans. I hope that extends to us Candidates as well.
Andruschak is already baptized. Could you explain what you meant?Don’t worry. A candidate is a catechuman.
Here is an excerpt from the diary of St. Faustina, recording words Jesus spoke to her (it’s approved by the Church as legit, but as private revelation it’s not binding on the faithful):Hmmmm…the word used was catechumans. I hope that extends to us Candidates as well.
]If souls would put themselves completely in My care, I Myself would undertake the task of sanctifying them, and I would lavish even greater graces on them. There are souls who thwart My efforts, but I have not given up on them; as often as they turn to Me, I hurry to their aid, shielding them with My mercy, and I give them the first place in My compassionate Heart…Entrust everything to Me and do nothing on your own, and you will always have great freedom of spirit. No circumstances of events will be able to upset you. Source
How do you know he is already baptised? His post doesn’t say that or do you know that from elsewhere?Andruschak is already baptized. Could you explain what you meant?
Well, if the RCIA programs were run as the US Council of Bishops wanted it to be, Candidates (those with a previous valid baptism in a Christian Church) would be in a seperate program from Catechumans (those who have never been baptised by the Trinitarian formula, or no baptism at all). Candidates would be individually evaluated to determine what, if any, further training was neededAndruschak is already baptized. Could you explain what you meant?
There is a large thread out there, combined together from several. It is Andruschak’s thread all about his RCIA journey. So, he has said he is baptized already (but they had this issue with that…see thread).How do you know he is already baptised? His post doesn’t say that or do you know that from elsewhere?
I agree that those two groups are grouped together in many RCIA programs. So, I understand where you are coming from on that. I was wondering because I think Victorious’ quote from the CCC about catechumens probably doesn’t directly apply to Andruschak as he is already baptized. But perhaps a similar line of reasoning could be produced. You meant that the two groups are often treated similarly.A catechumen is a candidate for baptism and admission to the Church, or an already validly baptised person to be admitted to the Church, in both cases going through the RCIA program.
The program of instruction is the same for both except…[cut]
- The term “catechumen” should be strictly reserved for the unbaptized who have been admitted into the order of catechumens; the term “convert” should be reserved strictly for those converted from unbelief to Christian belief and never used of those baptized Christians who are received into the full communion of the Catholic Church.
ARG! I just realized you might mean that a candidate is a candidate for baptism! Ah ha! In my neck of the woods, a candidate usually means a candidate for confirmation. That may be the confusion here. Sorry. I figured this out after posting, so I just edited this in.
- This holds true even if elements of catechumenal formation are appropriate for those who are not catechumens, namely, (a) baptized Catholic Christians who have not received catechetical instruction and whose Christian initiation has not been completed by confirmation and eucharist and (b) baptized Christians who have been members of another Church or ecclesial community and seek to be received into the full communion of the Catholic Church.
You are still who you are, even if they lump you together. Our program here is too small to keep them separate, so we try to make a verbal distinction when talking to them in class.Well, if the RCIA programs were run as the US Council of Bishops wanted it to be, Candidates (those with a previous valid baptism in a Christian Church) would be in a seperate program from Catechumans
Very much.Do you fear hell and the flames of purgatory?
We should all fear Hell but not Purgatory.Do you fear hell and the flames of purgatory?