HELP! Advice needed on a parental issue

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I’ll try to make this short. We have a daughter who will be 13 in Sept. She is an excellent student, but struggles socially. She has a prickly, somewhat uptight personality and needs to be in control. This doesn’t sit well with other kids. Even when she tries very hard to be sociable, she has an unfortunate knack for saying and doing the wrong thing. She’s getting better, but we’ve worked really hard with her to develop social skills. A lot of the girls at her school are more advanced socially than she is, and their parents allow them to go places and do things we don’t allow her to do (not that we don’t trust her, it’s just that we feel these things are not appropriate for kids her age – we’re the geeky parents, I guess.)

Anyway, all this background to explain why she has hardly any school friends. She is horse crazy and we got her into lessons last year at this great stable. She has made friends with other girls there and it’s been a positive experience. After several bad experienceswith other horses, she’s really bonded to this horse, Annie. Since riding Annie her confidence has grown and that’s been positivive in many ways. The stable has a leasing option that’s very affordable – we lease a lesson horse and our daughter can ride her 3-4 days a week. It’s been great.

The owner of the stable called – someone wants to buy Annie. She wasn’t for sale, but they made him an offer and he is in the process of thinning out his herd for the winter anyway, and he eventually wants to go for all geldings and no mares for lesson horses (mares being too tempramental during their cycle).

Here’s my dilemna: my husband and I can afford to buy Annie, she’s not an expensive horse by any means. We can also afford the boarding, shoeing and vets costs. Our problem is that we have a hard time just handing our daughter a horse. We don’t want to spoil her. Her attitude is pretty good – sometimes she gets mouthy and argumentative and disrespectful, but not very often and it’s usually very short lived. She helps around the house when told to, but doesn’t usually volunteer. As I said, she’s an excellent and responsible student and earns some money house and pet sitting for neighbors. She wants to be a vet and gets a long with animals better than people. Her worst attribute is she is bossy and not very nice to her brother and sister.

I don’t know what to do. I am afraid that buying a horse for her would be spoiling her. At her age, she can’t work a job to earn money. I asked the guy who owns the stable if she could work there a certain number of hours a week to earn part of the board if we bought the horse, but he’s not keen on that idea. If her attitude and behavior at home were outstanding, I wouldn’t hesitate to do this. Yet, I think for an almost 13 year old she’s pretty good, certainly better than a lot I hear about.

ANY advice, suggestions or thoughts would be welcome. I know her heart would be broken if Annie is sold to someone else and I thik she probably would leave the stables, and thus her only social network. Help!
 
I’m on the fly so will think about this some more, but my gut reaction is not let the horse get away. Think of it in terms of her behavioral plan. My daughter is in karate and it does her a world of good, sometimes we want to ground her but shoots us in the foot to take karate away.
Does she have to know the horse is yours? Myabe let her think status quo.

Gotta go

Arlene
 
I would buy her the horse and increase her responsibility for caring for it - if it does not work you can always sell it.
 
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LSK:
I would buy her the horse and increase her responsibility for caring for it - if it does not work you can always sell it.
Ditto. Sounds like this girl needs THAT horse. Along with the responsibility of it.
 
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LSK:
I would buy her the horse and increase her responsibility for caring for it - if it does not work you can always sell it.
I agree. I probably wouldn’t put a bow on the horse and say “Happy Birthday Snookums!” though. I would sit down with her, tell her our intensions, that you are putting a bid on the horse (because the other guy may offer more if he knows there is competition). After she says OF COURSE to the added chores and stuff (she will 🙂 ), perhaps a chart or list of responsibilities she has to complete every week so she knows exactly what to expect. That is very generous of you to do something you know your daughter would love. Youseem like good parents.
 
As someone who was in a similar situation at your daughter’s age, I say buy her the horse.

If this is something that you see as good for her and her development, then find a way to make it work for all of you. I think if you can figure out a way to do it without spoiling her then you all win.

Would the guy at the stable be willing to go along with letting her think that the horse is still his? Although I’m not entirely sure that lying to her is the way to go…just an idea.

If she does know the horse has been bought by you (assuming you do buy it), make it very clear from day one that it is YOUR horse, not HERS. If she behaves in an appropriate way then you will allow her access to YOUR horse.

But that also means that during times of grounding when she can’t go ride, that someone needs to care for the horse. A riding horse should be ridden frequently. If your daughter is grounded then make sure that you have arrangements with another rider to ride the horse in her absence.

This will be good for the horse as well as preventing her from using the old “you can’t stop me from riding, it’s bad for the horse!” argument against grounding.

I think there is a way to buy this horse without spoiling her. And i’m sure you will figure it out.

Malia
 
This sounds to me like an opportunity to help your daughter develop socially, boost her self-confidence, and let her learn greater responsibility, all in one act. 🙂
 
Why does she have to know you bought the horse?

My parents used to have horses and we boarded at a stable not far from our home. However, I do remember the stables being fairly gossipy and everyone knew everything about each other’s horses and who was for sale and who was buying, etc.

Maybe if you can keep it on the DL (down low ;)) between you and the stable owner, your daughter doesn’t have to know the horse is truly her’s. You might tell her you are THINKING of purchasing Annie sometime in the next year or so–which is true–and see how this improves her behavior.

When her behavior has improved consistently, you might choose to then reveal that you have purchased the horse for her and that you hesistated to tell her due to some of the behavior.

Honestly, though, sometimes such a gift is so overwhelmingly unexpected that it can soften even the most prickly heart. It has to be hard to be “socially awkward” all day at school and to constantly feel not good enough in that regard. Maybe the only joy your daughter feels is when she is with Annie, and knowing that Annie is her’s to keep…the pride and happiness might spill over into other areas of her life.

I can’t imagine how joyful I would feel to know my mother loved me enough to keep a horse from being bought and taken from me. This might do wonders for her sense of self-worth and self-esteem. Often we don’t treat others nicely when we don’t feel we are valued to others. This act of love might speak volumes to her.
 
Sometimes, we buy things for our son “just because” - no birthday, no special reason. I see a shirt he would love, and it is on sale - I may pick it up. This does not spoil a child. Spoiled is an attitude of things being “owed” to that child.

I can just imagine the joy in your daughters eyes when you say “oh yea, we bought the horse”. Make it a family horse - and just do it for no reason. She will never forget.
 
…sounds like she just needs the horses crop…:bigyikes:

Peace:thumbsup:
 
You say you and your husband have discussed this and have the means to buy and provide for the horse.

Does your daughter know the horse is up for sale?
If so, what was her reaction?
Was she devastated?
Was it, “Oh, I see. Ok.”?
Has she ever indicated to you that she would want a horse of her own - including all the responsibilities, or does she just enjoy learning to ride without having the 24/7 responsibilities?

I’d ask her how she feels about the horse going up for sale before plopping any money down.

It doesn’t seem right to buy the horse, then sit down with her to say - “Well we own it because we know how much you love that horse and felt it would be good for you to own her…and here are the responsibilities you now have for her…”

Though, all in all, it sounds like a wonderful opportunity - especially since you can afford the horse…I hope your daughter would want to keep her. It could be very good for her in the long run.
 
So far, it’s unanimous! Buy the horse. I counsel children your daughter’s age. I think it is a great idea for all the reasons already mentioned. If you continue to parent her in the way you have, this will not spoil her.
 
As a parent of a teenaged daughter, I often discuss these kinds of issues with my sister who also has a teenage daughter. My feeling is that much of the behavior that we observe in our daughters and what you describe in your daughter is typical for the age. As mothers, we get frustrated with their behavior and feel that they shouldn’t act that way if we have talked to them about it. But I believe a lot of the behavior at that age is related to their still maturing emotions and their psychological development. So I would recommend that you try to separate out your daughter’s behavior from the purchase of the horse as much as possible.

I do not agree that you should hide your ownership of the horse. Being less than fully truthful with kids this age will likely backfire and cause resentment no matter what the justification.

From what you describe, you have the means to buy the horse and you think it will be good for your daughter. You should discuss it in advance with her to be sure that she is fully aware of what her responsibility will be and that she is willing to take care of the horse. Also, think through and discuss how long you will keep the horse. For example, will you sell it after a year if it isn’t working out?

Again, I would suggest that you keep her behavior with her siblings and at home separate from the horse as much as possible. (Don’t tie keeping the horse to her being nice to her brothers and sisters, since the issues are not related.)

My daughter was really into riding from the time she was 7 until last year. When several of her friends were leasing or buying horses, we talked about whether she would be interested too. I was really surprised that she thought it through, saw what her friends had to do, and said she didn’t think she wanted to lease or own a horse. My daughter had too many other interests and activities and decided that she didn’t want to eliminate or curtail the other activities in order to take care of a horse. That’s just my daughter–yours could be very different. But you should involve her in the decision and really help her think through the choices. This could be a very important maturing experience for your daughter.
 
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kage_ar:
Sometimes, we buy things for our son “just because” - no birthday, no special reason. I see a shirt he would love, and it is on sale - I may pick it up. This does not spoil a child. Spoiled is an attitude of things being “owed” to that child.

I can just imagine the joy in your daughters eyes when you say “oh yea, we bought the horse”. Make it a family horse - and just do it for no reason. She will never forget.
 
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dwc:
I’ll try to make this short. We have a daughter who will be 13 in Sept. She is an excellent student, but struggles socially. She has a prickly, somewhat uptight personality and needs to be in control. This doesn’t sit well with other kids. Even when she tries very hard to be sociable, she has an unfortunate knack for saying and doing the wrong thing. She’s getting better, but we’ve worked really hard with her to develop social skills. A lot of the girls at her school are more advanced socially than she is, and their parents allow them to go places and do things we don’t allow her to do (not that we don’t trust her, it’s just that we feel these things are not appropriate for kids her age – we’re the geeky parents, I guess.)

Anyway, all this background to explain why she has hardly any school friends. She is horse crazy and we got her into lessons last year at this great stable. She has made friends with other girls there and it’s been a positive experience. After several bad experienceswith other horses, she’s really bonded to this horse, Annie. Since riding Annie her confidence has grown and that’s been positivive in many ways. The stable has a leasing option that’s very affordable – we lease a lesson horse and our daughter can ride her 3-4 days a week. It’s been great.

The owner of the stable called – someone wants to buy Annie. She wasn’t for sale, but they made him an offer and he is in the process of thinning out his herd for the winter anyway, and he eventually wants to go for all geldings and no mares for lesson horses (mares being too tempramental during their cycle).

Here’s my dilemna: my husband and I can afford to buy Annie, she’s not an expensive horse by any means. We can also afford the boarding, shoeing and vets costs. Our problem is that we have a hard time just handing our daughter a horse. We don’t want to spoil her. Her attitude is pretty good – sometimes she gets mouthy and argumentative and disrespectful, but not very often and it’s usually very short lived. She helps around the house when told to, but doesn’t usually volunteer. As I said, she’s an excellent and responsible student and earns some money house and pet sitting for neighbors. She wants to be a vet and gets a long with animals better than people. Her worst attribute is she is bossy and not very nice to her brother and sister.

I don’t know what to do. I am afraid that buying a horse for her would be spoiling her. At her age, she can’t work a job to earn money. I asked the guy who owns the stable if she could work there a certain number of hours a week to earn part of the board if we bought the horse, but he’s not keen on that idea. If her attitude and behavior at home were outstanding, I wouldn’t hesitate to do this. Yet, I think for an almost 13 year old she’s pretty good, certainly better than a lot I hear about.

ANY advice, suggestions or thoughts would be welcome. I know her heart would be broken if Annie is sold to someone else and I thik she probably would leave the stables, and thus her only social network. Help!
 
I was just like your daughter when I was her age and I know what
she is going through. Also, as I grew up and became a parent of
my own, I know what my parents went through. Buy the horse, let
her accept full responsibility, as I’m sure she wants to do. Make
sure she keeps up with her chores around the house and as an
added incentive, hopefully she will continue to babysit and things
like that to maybe help with some of the costs of Annie. Even
though Annie is a horse and does not live in the home, she is still
a pet and having a pet requires responsibility. Down the road she
might want to buy a new saddle or something special for Annie
and with the money she makes from babysitting or whatever, she
will have it. As far as the bossy part goes, ask your daughter if
she thinks that Annie is part of the family, if she says yes, then
ask her, would you treat Annie like your brothers or sisters? If she
says no, then ask her, why do treat your siblings like that then?
Annie has feelings, so do your siblings. Hope this helps.

God Bless…justice
 
I think you should buy the horse for your daughter. Not to spoil her, but to keep her confidence up. It sounds like she needs it. Get the horse, but have your daughter take care of it – it’s her horse, of course. Also, should you give the horse to her, make an ultimatum: treat your siblings with more respect and keep the horse; don’t treat them nicely and the horse is gone.
 
Thank you all so much for your thoughtful and helpful replies. I spoke with the stable owner and he is going to get back to me, today, I hope, regarding whether these people are really going to buy Annie. If they’re serious, we are going to buy her as a family horse. My oldest daughter will ride her the most and do upkeep, but if I want to ride her, or the younger kids want to take lessons, she’ll be available to all of us. Again, thank you for all your help.
 
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