Help I don't know how to explain to my Fundamentalist friend

[jaz1976]

2BinChrist:

If I believe the Bible is the infallible, God-breathed Word, doesn’t it make sense that the Bible should be the absolute standard by which I judge everything else

The Bible is not infallible; it is inerrant. Why is this concept so hard for protestants to get right?

 

[Ignatius]

2BinChrist:

My friend writes:

If I believe the Bible is the infallible, God-breathed Word, doesn’t it make sense that the Bible should be the absolute *standard *by which I judge everything else?

Does your friend know where we got the Bible? A little homework will be very enlightening. Search for New Testament Canon.

Have here do the research herself before letting here in on the following information. There is a book titled “Where we got the Bible” that she should read. She will find that it is the Catholic Church which produced the New Testament and delivered it in pristine form down through the millennia. It was the declaration Catholic Church Councils of Hippo and Carthage, confirmed by the Holy See, which declared and affirmed which books were God breathed and belonged in the New Testament.

Yours in Christ.

 

[everlastingthur]

2BinChrist:

My friend writes:

Tradition and papal teaching have their place; but they cannot claim to be God-breathed. And, inasmuch as they can instruct and guide, you must take into account that they cannot claim to have proceeded from the very breath of God. “For who has known the mind of God?”

There are many verses in scripture give Tradition inspired importance. Paul says to keep the traditions handed down whether by letter or word of mouth. There are passages as well. I’ve presented these scriptures to fundamentalists and they present “theirs.” Ususally they won’t even explain why Paul thinks Tradition is important. They try to cancel the verses out with verses that criticize tradition like scripture can contradict scripture, or whoever has the most verses wins. The traditions Paul criticizes are always man-made traditions. You might try asking your friend politely what Paul means when he says to uphold tradition.

Oddly, enough, people who would abuse Catholics and the Popes for claiming to know everything (which they don’t) have no problems interpreting the Bible for themselves. The bible is not self-interpreting. Which makes more sense? One person has a charism of leading the Church or billions of people with varying beliefs and levels of commitment will be able to interpret the it correctly?

As for twisting things around, it takes alot of patience to discuss Catholicism with fundamentalists. They come from traditions that seriously devalue critical thinking skills. So, what makes perfect sense to them might not make sense to someone who is able to follow their logic a few steps further.

 

[J.R]

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My friend writes:

Tradition and papal teaching have their place; but they cannot claim to be God-breathed. And, inasmuch as they can instruct and guide, you must take into account that they cannot claim to have proceeded from the very breath of God. “For who has known the mind of God?”
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If I believe the Bible is the infallible, God-breathed Word, doesn’t it make sense that the Bible should be the absolute standard by which I judge everything else?
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I don’t know how to answer my friend, she twists everything I say around…
*Can someone help? Robin *
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Just remember the Church begot the Bible, the Bible did not beget the Church.

 

[JoaoMachado]

2BinChrist:

My friend writes:

Tradition and papal teaching have their place; but they cannot claim to be God-breathed. And, inasmuch as they can instruct and guide, you must take into account that they cannot claim to have proceeded from the very breath of God. “For who has known the mind of God?”

If I believe the Bible is the infallible, God-breathed Word, doesn’t it make sense that the Bible should be the absolute standard by which I judge everything else?

I don’t know how to answer my friend, she twists everything I say around…
*Can someone help? Robin *

Jesus says " ***he is like a man building a house, who dug deep, and laid the foundation upon rock; and when a flood arose, the stream broke against that house, and could not shake it, because it had been well built" Ask her, what did Jesus establish on earth, a Church or a book? Her answer will dictate where to go next.

Joao

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[puzzleannie]

2BinChrist:

My friend writes:

Tradition and papal teaching have their place; but they cannot claim to be God-breathed. And, inasmuch as they can instruct and guide, you must take into account that they cannot claim to have proceeded from the very breath of God. “For who has known the mind of God?”

If I believe the Bible is the infallible, God-breathed Word, doesn’t it make sense that the Bible should be the absolute standard by which I judge everything else?

I don’t know how to answer my friend, she twists everything I say around…
*Can someone help? Robin *

it is the Catholic position and always has been that Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture are both Divine Revelation, inspired by the Holy Spirit, preserved by the Catholic Church through the protection of the same Spirit.
she is denying this, on her own authority. ask her from where she gets this authority to decide on her own what is and what is not “God-breathed”

 

[Rand_Al_Thor]

Rand Al'Thor:

Be sure to make this point very clear to her:

Paul wrote in one of his epistles (I believe to the Corinthians but I’m not sure; I’ll double check this and post back later with the verse number) for those he was writing to to “hold to the traditions I have taught you.” So, tradition IS from scripture. Make sure you tell her this.

It’s in Thessalonians; I was wrong.

In Christ,
Rand

 

[Rand_Al_Thor]

## To which the answer would be - Matthew 15

And the result would be a long game of Bible bingo, with much swatting of verses back and forth ##

Peace be with you!

Actually the bingo game (well, hopefully) wouldn’t take place because Jesus was refering to elevating the traditions of men above those of God. However, the traditions of the Church are the traditions of God, not of men. “Whoever listens to you listens to me.”

In Christ,
Rand