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Fone_Bone_2001
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I’m posting this here, because I believe that eastern Catholics - who inevitably straddle multiple worlds, practically speaking - are probably best able to help me answer this one.
I apologize in advance for any amateurish or ambiguous things I might say. I’m not a theologian by any stretch of the imagination, so if anything I say fails to be clear enough, on an academic level, for a reply to make sense, then please just help me along with patience as best you can.
I’m hoping particularly that knowledgeable Oriental Catholics - like Marduk - may be able to help me with this one. Knowledgeable Oriental Orthodox - like dzheremi - would probably be able to help me, too.
So, when I was first learning about Miaphysitism, it became incredibly obvious right away that it’s nothing like Monophysitism, since the Miaphysites profess that there is no mingling, confusion, or mixture between the two natures that were united in the one Person of Jesus/the Eternal Word at the Incarnation.
Then, however, someone showed me a quotation from Severus of Antioch, a Syriac Orthodox saint and patriarch. I loved this quotation, as it seemed to summarize the Ephesian/Cyrillian position with such pithy elegance. Basically, St. Severus of Antioch was explaining why it makes no sense to say that our Lord sometimes acts as God and other times as man, as though there’s somehow two of Him in some weird way.
His example was Jesus’ walking on water. Did He perform this act “in His divine nature” or “in His human nature”? The question is impossible to answer. He couldn’t have done it “in His divine nature,” since it’s not in the divine nature to walk at all, have feet, etc. But He couldn’t have done it “in His human nature,” since it’s not in our human nature to be able to walk on water miraculously. This event, therefore, is an example of the way we must simply recognize that Jesus Himself, our Lord, the Word Incarnate, takes the actions He takes, experiences all He experiences, knows what He knows, teaches what He teaches, eats what He eats.
Now, obviously that way of speaking of the Incarnation contradicts the Tome of St. Leo, but I don’t mind that. On this level, the distinction seems like a mere theologoumenon. Severus of Antioch has me persuaded about our Lord’s walking on water, yet I also find myself simultaneously persuaded by St. Leo the Great’s assertion that Jesus’ raising Lazarus reveals His divinity more clearly than His humanity, whereas His weeping at the tomb of Lazarus reveals His humanity more clearly than His divinity.
I don’t see any contradiction there - nor should I, if there’s no dogmatic contradiction between Miaphysitism and Chalcedonian Dyophysitism. And obviously I don’t believe there is any such dogmatic incompatibility, or else I wouldn’t be in a communion - the Catholic Church - in which autonomous churches who believe each of these different theologies maintain full communion with each other.
But,
I do find one problem that bothers me that I’m hoping others can help me with: monoenergism. Obviously I accept the ecumenical and definitive teaching that monothelitism and monoenergism are heretical.
Perhaps I don’t understand monoenergism, but don’t “energies” (I learned this from Byzantines) refer to action on the most initimate level? The existential rather than essential aspects of one’s being? For instance, when hesychasm was explained to me, I learned that due to God’s transcendence, we can never penetrate or perceive the essence of God, but that we can receive God’s nature as our own in the sense that His energies (His divine activity that’s inherent to His being, namely, His perfect and selfless eternal and divine love) are made our own.
Based on that, anyway, I found myself assuming that “monoenergism” would be the belief that within Christ, our Incarnate Lord, there is only one “sphere of activity” or active, existential manifestation of His nature, so to speak.
That’s also what St. Severus of Antioch’s teaching about Jesus’ walking on water seemed to suggest to me: that what He does (existence/action/energy) is both divine and human to the extent that no distinction is correct.
Thus I realized that that sounded monoenergist to me. Am I wrong in thinking that monoenergism is what I said it is?
If not, how does Miaphysitism, as expressed by this non-Chalcedonian Syriac Father, avoid being implicitly monoenergist?
if you’ve read this far, please, please, please, I beg you, read these three caveats of mine:
(SEE BELOW)
I apologize in advance for any amateurish or ambiguous things I might say. I’m not a theologian by any stretch of the imagination, so if anything I say fails to be clear enough, on an academic level, for a reply to make sense, then please just help me along with patience as best you can.
I’m hoping particularly that knowledgeable Oriental Catholics - like Marduk - may be able to help me with this one. Knowledgeable Oriental Orthodox - like dzheremi - would probably be able to help me, too.
So, when I was first learning about Miaphysitism, it became incredibly obvious right away that it’s nothing like Monophysitism, since the Miaphysites profess that there is no mingling, confusion, or mixture between the two natures that were united in the one Person of Jesus/the Eternal Word at the Incarnation.
Then, however, someone showed me a quotation from Severus of Antioch, a Syriac Orthodox saint and patriarch. I loved this quotation, as it seemed to summarize the Ephesian/Cyrillian position with such pithy elegance. Basically, St. Severus of Antioch was explaining why it makes no sense to say that our Lord sometimes acts as God and other times as man, as though there’s somehow two of Him in some weird way.
His example was Jesus’ walking on water. Did He perform this act “in His divine nature” or “in His human nature”? The question is impossible to answer. He couldn’t have done it “in His divine nature,” since it’s not in the divine nature to walk at all, have feet, etc. But He couldn’t have done it “in His human nature,” since it’s not in our human nature to be able to walk on water miraculously. This event, therefore, is an example of the way we must simply recognize that Jesus Himself, our Lord, the Word Incarnate, takes the actions He takes, experiences all He experiences, knows what He knows, teaches what He teaches, eats what He eats.
Now, obviously that way of speaking of the Incarnation contradicts the Tome of St. Leo, but I don’t mind that. On this level, the distinction seems like a mere theologoumenon. Severus of Antioch has me persuaded about our Lord’s walking on water, yet I also find myself simultaneously persuaded by St. Leo the Great’s assertion that Jesus’ raising Lazarus reveals His divinity more clearly than His humanity, whereas His weeping at the tomb of Lazarus reveals His humanity more clearly than His divinity.
I don’t see any contradiction there - nor should I, if there’s no dogmatic contradiction between Miaphysitism and Chalcedonian Dyophysitism. And obviously I don’t believe there is any such dogmatic incompatibility, or else I wouldn’t be in a communion - the Catholic Church - in which autonomous churches who believe each of these different theologies maintain full communion with each other.
But,
I do find one problem that bothers me that I’m hoping others can help me with: monoenergism. Obviously I accept the ecumenical and definitive teaching that monothelitism and monoenergism are heretical.
Perhaps I don’t understand monoenergism, but don’t “energies” (I learned this from Byzantines) refer to action on the most initimate level? The existential rather than essential aspects of one’s being? For instance, when hesychasm was explained to me, I learned that due to God’s transcendence, we can never penetrate or perceive the essence of God, but that we can receive God’s nature as our own in the sense that His energies (His divine activity that’s inherent to His being, namely, His perfect and selfless eternal and divine love) are made our own.
Based on that, anyway, I found myself assuming that “monoenergism” would be the belief that within Christ, our Incarnate Lord, there is only one “sphere of activity” or active, existential manifestation of His nature, so to speak.
That’s also what St. Severus of Antioch’s teaching about Jesus’ walking on water seemed to suggest to me: that what He does (existence/action/energy) is both divine and human to the extent that no distinction is correct.
Thus I realized that that sounded monoenergist to me. Am I wrong in thinking that monoenergism is what I said it is?
If not, how does Miaphysitism, as expressed by this non-Chalcedonian Syriac Father, avoid being implicitly monoenergist?
if you’ve read this far, please, please, please, I beg you, read these three caveats of mine:
(SEE BELOW)