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Prince_Ire
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In discussions with pro-abortion people, they have stated that banning abortion increases the number of abortions. Do you guys have anything refuting this?
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brumano
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an estimated 50 to 90 million dead from legalized and state sponsored abortions over the more than 4 decades of the holocaust of the unborn in the us from the early 70’s on. This doesn’t even need to be refuted, it’s a blatant lie from people who will say or do anything to keep the death mills running full steam.In discussions with pro-abortion people, they have stated that banning abortion increases the number of abortions. Do you guys have anything refuting this?
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Doves411
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That “statistic” doesn’t even make sense…by legalizing abortion less abortions occur? Not true at all. FAR more babies have been aborted since the legalization of abortion.In discussions with pro-abortion people, they have stated that banning abortion increases the number of abortions. Do you guys have anything refuting this?
Check out National Right to Life’s data and research:
nrlc.org/Factsheets/FS03_AbortionInTheUS.pdf
nrlc.org/abortion/facts/abortionstats2.html
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agnes_therese
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They’re the ones making the claim, it’s on them to provide their sources. Ask them for their proof.In discussions with pro-abortion people, they have stated that banning abortion increases the number of abortions. Do you guys have anything refuting this?
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Peter12rb
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They probably mean that the number of back-alley abortions done by questionable people will increase. The actual number of abortions will definitely decrease, though. Ask them for clarification, and proof of their claims.
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Joe_5859
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Exactly. They cannot expect you to counter that claim without showing you where their numbers are coming from.They’re the ones making the claim, it’s on them to provide their sources. Ask them for their proof.
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stephe1987
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Back-alley and at-home abortions still take place today, even with legal abortions. Which wasn’t really an issue to begin with because 90% of abortions were done at a doctor’s office before it was legalized.
If anything, abortion not only increases the number of abortions, but also makes abortion less safe because most women go to clinics rather than doctor’s offices or hospitals.
If anything, abortion not only increases the number of abortions, but also makes abortion less safe because most women go to clinics rather than doctor’s offices or hospitals.
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ThePuppyTurtle
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At the expense of playing devil’s advocate on a serious issue, I want to clarify the argument here, as I have encountered it before.
The claim is that, if abortion is legal, a woman considering it can go to a doctor and get advice, and the doctor is free to advise for or against it.
On the other had, if it is illegal, a woman who wants an abortion and is willing to go to a back-ally to get it will only talk to the back-ally abortionist, who of course is going to make her feel like there is no other option.
As a result, if it is legal, more women might consider it, but fewer will actually go through with it, because they’ll get advice from doctors who are trying to act in their best interest, whereas if it is illegal, they’ll get advice from back-ally abortionists and therefore, though less women consider getting an abortion, more of those who do go through with it.
The claim is that, if abortion is legal, a woman considering it can go to a doctor and get advice, and the doctor is free to advise for or against it.
On the other had, if it is illegal, a woman who wants an abortion and is willing to go to a back-ally to get it will only talk to the back-ally abortionist, who of course is going to make her feel like there is no other option.
As a result, if it is legal, more women might consider it, but fewer will actually go through with it, because they’ll get advice from doctors who are trying to act in their best interest, whereas if it is illegal, they’ll get advice from back-ally abortionists and therefore, though less women consider getting an abortion, more of those who do go through with it.
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ahs
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Yes, that is their claim, but it is a complete fallacious argument. All you have to do is compare the number of abortions before/after legalization of abortion. The legalization of abortion made more women feel more confident about being able to ontain an abortion and so they chose to…to the tune of 50-90 million in the past 4 decades.At the expense of playing devil’s advocate on a serious issue, I want to clarify the argument here, as I have encountered it before.
The claim is that, if abortion is legal, a woman considering it can go to a doctor and get advice, and the doctor is free to advise for or against it.
On the other had, if it is illegal, a woman who wants an abortion and is willing to go to a back-ally to get it will only talk to the back-ally abortionist, who of course is going to make her feel like there is no other option.
As a result, if it is legal, more women might consider it, but fewer will actually go through with it, because they’ll get advice from doctors who are trying to act in their best interest, whereas if it is illegal, they’ll get advice from back-ally abortionists and therefore, though less women consider getting an abortion, more of those who do go through with it.
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ThePuppyTurtle
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Again, though I don’t like arguing the other side… quoting the “after” statistic does not a comparison make.Yes, that is their claim, but it is a complete fallacious argument. All you have to do is compare the number of abortions before/after legalization of abortion. The legalization of abortion made more women feel more confident about being able to ontain an abortion and so they chose to…to the tune of 50-90 million in the past 4 decades.
Of course, the number of illegal abortions, then and now, can only ever be a matter of estimation, as we don’t likely learn of many of them. On the other hand, that’ll have to do, as we have little else to go on.
For my own criticism of the argument, I’d say that:
1: The same effect can be achieved by making one’s consultation with a doctor inadmissible in court.
2: The issue here is not merely reducing abortion, but also the imposition of justice.
3: Though the mechanism has been proposed, it is yet to be shown that the number of abortions probably went down when it was made legal in all places. We’d want to ignore places where it was legal anyway before Roe v Wade, and then account for people going out of state for legal abortions. We would also have to account for other things which may have increased abortion, such as the culture coming to accept it, because perhaps legalization has led to normalization in the popular consciousness, and obviously this’d be the % of pregnancies which end in abortion, not the number of abortions per capita, in case that has gone up or down.
Of course, those statistical adjustments are common sense and are one’s anyone on either side.
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polytropos
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Or a genuinely unsure young woman can go to Planned Parenthood, where she will be told that the “lump of cells” will ruin her life if she doesn’t abort it pronto.The claim is that, if abortion is legal, a woman considering it can go to a doctor and get advice, and the doctor is free to advise for or against it.
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TheRealJuliane
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The “back-alley” abortion numbers were a lie in the first place.
Confessions of an Ex-Abortionist
*We persuaded the media that the cause of permissive abortion was a liberal enlightened, sophisticated one. Knowing that if a true poll were taken, we would be soundly defeated, we simply fabricated the results of fictional polls. We announced to the media that we had taken polls and that 60% of Americans were in favour of permissive abortion. This is the tactic of the self-fulfilling lie. Few people care to be in the minority. We aroused enough sympathy to sell our program of permissive abortion by fabricating the number of illegal abortions done annually in the U.S. The actual figure was approaching 100,000 but the figure we gave to the media repeatedly was 1,000,000. Repeating the big lie often enough convinces the public. The number of women dying from illegal abortions was around 200-250 annually. The figure we constantly fed to the media was 10,000. These false figures took root in the consciousness of Americans convincing many that we needed to crack the abortion law. Another myth we fed to the public through the media was that legalising abortion would only mean that the abortions taking place illegally would then be done legally. In fact, of course, abortion is now being used as a primary method of birth control in the U.S. and the annual number of abortions has increased by 1500% since legalisation.
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Confessions of an Ex-Abortionist
*We persuaded the media that the cause of permissive abortion was a liberal enlightened, sophisticated one. Knowing that if a true poll were taken, we would be soundly defeated, we simply fabricated the results of fictional polls. We announced to the media that we had taken polls and that 60% of Americans were in favour of permissive abortion. This is the tactic of the self-fulfilling lie. Few people care to be in the minority. We aroused enough sympathy to sell our program of permissive abortion by fabricating the number of illegal abortions done annually in the U.S. The actual figure was approaching 100,000 but the figure we gave to the media repeatedly was 1,000,000. Repeating the big lie often enough convinces the public. The number of women dying from illegal abortions was around 200-250 annually. The figure we constantly fed to the media was 10,000. These false figures took root in the consciousness of Americans convincing many that we needed to crack the abortion law. Another myth we fed to the public through the media was that legalising abortion would only mean that the abortions taking place illegally would then be done legally. In fact, of course, abortion is now being used as a primary method of birth control in the U.S. and the annual number of abortions has increased by 1500% since legalisation.
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