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I’m a new convert. I would like to have my three children baptized into the Catholic Church. However, my husband is opposed to the idea. He is a Protestant and doesn’t believe in baptism until a person is old enough to make a decision about accepting Christ.

I’m not as well-versed in the teachings of this Sacrament as I should be. :o What can I tell my husband about the teachings of the Church on this subject that might help change his mind? And if there’s anyone out there who’s gone through a similar situation, I’d be grateful for some help and advice.

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From St. Alphonsus Liguori, Doctor of the Church.

III.
Children who Die without Baptism.

Here it only remains for us to answer the objection which is drawn from children being lost when they die before baptism, and before they come to the use of reason. If God wills all to be saved, it is objected, how is it that these children perish without any fault of their own, since God gives them no assistance to attain eternal salvation ? There are two answers to this objection, the latter more correct than the former. I will state them briefly.

First, it is answered that God, by antecedent will, wishes all to be saved, and therefore has granted universal means for the salvation of all ; but these means at times fail of their effect, either by reason of the unwillingness of some persons to avail themselves of them, or because others are unable to make use of them, on account of secondary causes (such as the death of cliildren), whose course God is not bound to change, after having disposed the whole according to the just judgment of his general Providence; all this is collected from what St. Thomas says. Jesus Christ offered his merits for all men, and instituted baptism for all ; but the application of this means of Salvation, so far as it relates to children who die before the use of reason, is not prevented by the direct will of God, but by a merely permissive will; because as He is the general provider of all things, He is not bound to disturb the general order, to provide for the particular order.

The second answer is, that to perish is not the same as not to be blessed: since Eternal happiness is a gift entirely gratuitous; and therefore the want of it is not a punishment.

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The opinion, therefore, of St. Thomas is very just, that children who die in infancy have neither the pain of sense, nor the pain of loss; not the pain of sense, he says, " because pain of sense corresponds to conversion to creatures; and in original sin there is not conversion to creatures" (as the fault is not our own); “and therefore pain of sense is not due to original sin;” because original sin does not imply an act.’ .Objectors oppose to this the teaching of. St. Augustine, who in some places shows that his opinion was that children are condemned even to the pain of sense. But in another place he declares that he was very much confused about this point. These are his words: " When I come to the punishment of infants,- I find myself (believe me) in great straits; nor can I at all find anything to say." ?

And in another place he writes, that it may be said that such children receive neither reward nor punishment: " Nor need we fear that it is impossible there should be a middle sentence between reward and punishment; since their life was midway between sin and good works. “’ This was directly affirmed by St. Gregory Nazianzen: “Children will be sentenced by the just judge neither to the glory of Heaven nor to punishment.”’ St. Gregory of Nyssa was of the same .opinion: " The premature death of children shows that they who have thus ceased to live will not be in pain and unhappiness.” And as far as relates to the pain of loss, although these children are excluded from glory, nevertheless St. Thomas, who had reflected most deeply on this point, teaches that no one feels pain for the want of that good of which he is not capable; so that as no man grieves that he cannot fly, or no private person that he is not be emperor, so these children feel no pain at being deprived of the glory of which they were never capable; since they could never pretend to it either by the principles of nature, or by their own merits.
St. Thomas adds, in another place, a further reason, which is, that the supernatural knowledge of glory comes only by means of actual faith, which transcends all natural knowledge; so that children can never feel pain for the privation of that glory, of which they never had a supernatural knowledge. He further says, in the former passage, that such children will not only not grieve for the loss of eternal happiness, but will, moreover, have pleasure in their natural gifts; and will even in some way enjoy God, so far as is implied in natural knowledge, and in natural love: “Rather will they rejoice in this, that they will participate much in the divine goodness, and in natural perfections.” 2 And he immediately adds, that although they will be separated from God, as regards the union of glory, nevertheless " they will be united with him by participation of natural gifts; and so will even be able to rejoice in him with a natural knowledge and love."

After reading this opinion of a Church Father if he is not convinced to have his children Baptized tomorrow! You will not convince him.
 
Does he believe that all children are born innocent, without Original Sin? He is mistaken!

We are conceived with original sin on our souls because Adam sinned as the representative of the human race not as an individual. His sin was a sin of pride manifesting itself in an act of disobedience. Every human born in the ordinary course of nature, except the blessed virgin alone, is from the first moment of existence (conception) “in the state of sin”. It is through Baptism that original sin is washed away.

Therefore the Church strongly encourages parents to have their children baptized as soon as possible. For our Lord states “Unless a man be born again of water and the spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” (Jn 5:3) In Matt 19:14 , Jesus say’s “Suffer the little children, and forbid them not to come to me; for the kingdom of heaven is for such;…” Just as the old law required parents to present their children on the eighth day in the temple for circumcision, the baptism of the old testament, we are required to present our children in the Church, for the baptism of the new testament. It is through Baptism that we are brought into the universal society of the saints. Baptism and the remission of original sin is so important to eternal salvation that the Church clearly teaches that in necessity (danger of death) ANYONE can baptize.

Christ’s redemptive merits are not actually applied to a new-born child until, in baptism, he is incorporated with Christ. Being born without grace and subject to the universal effects of the fall of Adam, he is born a citizen of the natural kingdom only. That means that until it’s rebirth in baptism, the child is subjected to and influenced by Satan! This is again the reason the church say’s that children should be baptized as soon as possible, to put them beyond Satan’s power.

On the subject of children who die with out baptism the church is silent for the most part. Some of the fathers have addressed the issue but their opinions are not in unified or infallible teaching. The Council of Florence (1439) stated “the souls of those who depart this life, either in actual mortal sin or in original sin only, go down at once into hell, there however to suffer disparate penalties.” Pope Pius V in 1567, condemned writings that said that an “unbaptised child will hate God.” Pope Pius VI In 1794 condemned errors by the Erantian synod that rejected that “the lower regions in which the souls of those dying in original sin alone are punished with the pain of loss without the pain of fire…”

However without any ecclesiastical authority, it is almost universally accepted that unbaptised children are deprived of the beatific vision of God, but it is most probable that the state of unbaptised children in the next world is one of peace and natural happiness.

The following must be clearly understood; that the child who dies without baptism is definitely excluded from the kingdom of heaven. They are not in some middle state between heaven and hell. We are made to be united with God as our final end. Failure to reach this end, either by our own fault or by someone else’s fault, results in the eternal loss of union with God!
 
it’s a difficult situation, because your husband is probably going to be opposed to any reason the church gives for infant baptism, as it’s not Biblical.

one possible tack, though, is that most protestants don’t believe the baptism is part of the salvation process anyway - it’s just a symbol. so to YOU, it’s part of your children’s salvation, for your husband, it’s just a symbol. seems like the weightier of the two considerations might win out.

but i’d pray about the whole situation, and try to make this dilemma into a healing element in your marriage, rather than a point of contention. it sounds like you have a world of opportunity for both reconciliation between separated brethren (the RCC and protestants), but also an opportunity for discord and argument. i pray that He helps you make your relationship one of healing of the wounds of our Lord’s body.
 
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jeffreedy789:
one possible tack, though, is that most protestants don’t believe the baptism is part of the salvation process anyway - it’s just a symbol. so to YOU, it’s part of your children’s salvation, for your husband, it’s just a symbol. seems like the weightier of the two considerations might win out.
You are correct in that most protestant churches teach that baptism isn’t necessary for salvation. However, my husband is of the small minority of protestant demoninations that teaches that it is necessary for salvation. He also believes that one has to know what they’re doing for baptism to be valid-the one who is being baptized must fully accept Christ as Lord and Savior and make this public confession of faith before baptism.

Since my children are too young to do this, he believes that it would be pointless for them to be baptized. He wants to wait until they are old enough to know what they’re doing and old enough to make up their own minds.

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