Here We Go Again!

[barbfromtucson]

As the presidential campaigns begin to rise up, I’ll be counting down the days when it is all over.

I’m always torn between the parties–I’m right in the middle–the democrats are strong in many social justice issues, but then the republicans are anti-abortion (I said anti-abortion, not pro-life, because anti-abortion is more accurate).

To clarify my last statement, in my book, pro-life means pro-LIFE.
That means, to me, that you’re anti-abortion, anti-embryonic stem-cell research, anti-euthanasia, but you’re ALSO anti-death penalty, anti-war, and pro-environment. There are no politicians, that I’m aware of, that are truly pro-life.

I’ll be interested to hear other viewpoints…

–Barbara

 

[Sean_Boyle]

When faced with a situation such as this, vote for the lesser of the two evils (If that is how you need to view it), which is clearly the anti-abortion side.

 

[Melchior]

As the presidential campaigns begin to rise up, I’ll be counting down the days when it is all over.

I’m always torn between the parties–I’m right in the middle–the democrats are strong in many social justice issues, but then the republicans are anti-abortion (I said anti-abortion, not pro-life, because anti-abortion is more accurate).

To clarify my last statement, in my book, pro-life means pro-LIFE.
That means, to me, that you’re anti-abortion, anti-embryonic stem-cell research, anti-euthanasia, but you’re ALSO anti-death penalty, anti-war, and pro-environment. There are no politicians, that I’m aware of, that are truly pro-life.

I’ll be interested to hear other viewpoints…

–Barbara

Your definition does not jibe with the historic pro-life movement and her major organizations. Youa rte confusing categories and trivializing life issues. Your first three are pro-life to be sure.

The death penalty can be argued to be prolife because God warranted it at times, because it is is the only punishment comensurate with taking a life through murder. But I can respect those who are against the death penalty.

I don’t know anyone who is pro-war. But war is often necessary to preserve life. WWII was a just war and ended up saving lives and stopping genocide.

The environment is largely a political issue not a life issue. We live in time in the Western world where the environment is cleaner, much cleaner and well maintained than it was 40 years ago. It is not a pro-life issue on a large scale. It is a politically trendy issue that has as much fiction thse days as fact.

Still to innocent human life as the primary issue and we will have something to work towards. Muddy the waters with issues that are not about stopping murder of children and the unwanted and we weaken the cause.

Mel

 

[Legal_Eagle]

To clarify my last statement, in my book, pro-life means pro-LIFE.
That means, to me, that you’re anti-abortion, anti-embryonic stem-cell research, anti-euthanasia, but you’re ALSO anti-death penalty, anti-war, and pro-environment. There are no politicians, that I’m aware of, that are truly pro-life.

I agree with you 100%.

I realize that the Church teaches that we have a moral duty to vote. But I’m beginning to believe that I may well have a moral duty not to vote. Who do I vote for? A warmonger or a supporter of abortion on demand? What do I do if all candidates running make me ill?

In the past I have most always voted Democratic. But among the Dems who have announced there is not a solid anti-death penalty, anti-war and pro-environment candidate in the bunch. Except for Dennis Kucinich of course, but then again I have a better chance of being elected than he does.

So what to do? I’m seriously considering staying home on election day. It’s truly a pitiful state of affairs.

 

[joeganshert]

Pro-life and pro-choice are both terms used to make their side more favorable to support. Pro-life does not support all forms of life as an earlier poster noted, and pro-choicers do not support a choice (when has there ever been a choice in a PP abortion clinic). The two sides should be anti-abortion, and pro-abortion. Of course, that would make it too hard to pass their agendas under false pretenses. Just for the record, I support life from conception to natural death

 

[Mirdath]

Pro-life does not support all forms of life as an earlier poster noted, and pro-choicers do not support a choice (when has there ever been a choice in a PP abortion clinic).

Uh… being there is the choice.

 

[Dale_M]

What do I do if all candidates running make me ill?

Yes, the choices in the last election left me feeling ill, too.

What to do? Take some Pepto-Bismol (or your favorite anti-nausea medicine) and vote for the lesser evil. There is a saying: if you don’t vote for the lesser of two evils, then you have voted for the greater evil".

The math doesn’t quite add up, but there is truth to the statement.

 

[J.R]

I’m always torn between the parties–I’m right in the middle–the democrats are strong in many social justice issues, but then the republicans are anti-abortion (I said anti-abortion, not pro-life, because anti-abortion is more accurate).–Barbara

When deaths caused by social injustices in this country approach 40 million (the number of abortions since Roe) then I’ll consider voting for a Democrat.

 

[barbfromtucson]

Your definition does not jibe with the historic pro-life movement and her major organizations. Youa rte confusing categories and trivializing life issues. Your first three are pro-life to be sure.

The death penalty can be argued to be prolife because God warranted it at times, because it is is the only punishment comensurate with taking a life through murder. But I can respect those who are against the death penalty.

I don’t know anyone who is pro-war. But war is often necessary to preserve life. WWII was a just war and ended up saving lives and stopping genocide.

The environment is largely a political issue not a life issue. We live in time in the Western world where the environment is cleaner, much cleaner and well maintained than it was 40 years ago. It is not a pro-life issue on a large scale. It is a politically trendy issue that has as much fiction thse days as fact.

Still to innocent human life as the primary issue and we will have something to work towards. Muddy the waters with issues that are not about stopping murder of children and the unwanted and we weaken the cause.

Mel

Regarding the death penalty…obviously you have not watched/read Dead Man Walking or know anything about Sr. Helen Prejean…if you heard her talk, which I have a couple of times, you would know that there are many individuals who have been on death row who were later to have exonerated from the crime that put them in death row to begin with. She illustrates other factors/reasons as to illustrate how imperfected our legal system is, and that is why the death penalty should be abolished. If you want another example of an innocent person that’s been put to death by the human judicial methods, go to your nearest Catholic church, sit in a pew, and look up.

2nd–regarding War. WWII was a justified war. Show me one document/statement from the Vatican saying that the current Iraqi war is justified. Whether justified or not, many innocent lives are affected in a war.

3rd–regarding the environment. Some would tell you that abortion is a political issue. A lot of issues have turned into political issues. We ALL depend on the earth for our food, the air we breath, our shelter, the water we drink, etc. Certain medications will tell women not to take if they are pregnant or are nursing because of the chemicals in these particular drugs. And chemicals in the air/water, which are more ‘dangerous’ than a FDA-approved medication would have no effect on a developing fetus???

Abortion IS the most critical of all the life issues, and when I hear someone say that they’re pro-life, I automatically take it that they are saying that they are anti-abortion, and not commenting on any of the other life issues.

I guess I’m trying to point out that when you hear about a “pro-life candidate”, they’re just addressing the abortion issue, and probably the embryonic stem-cell research issue too, but they’re not truly ProLife, in every sense of the word.

 

[Legal_Eagle]

What to do? Take some Pepto-Bismol (or your favorite anti-nausea medicine) and vote for the lesser evil.

Awwwwwwwwwwww moooooooooom, do I have to???

All joking aside the last few elections have been like an excercise in drinking toilet water. 300 million people in this country, and this is the best we can do? Please.

 

[Penitant]

Despite the popular belief, there are more than two parties in this country.

The lesser of two sins is still a sin. Find a candidate that actually supports what you do. Vote third party.