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reteeks21
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You won’t get one because I intended no harm. Read my last post and you see why I said what I said to you.
Hey Catholics and Non-Catholics! Let's Show our Love for Jesus!
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Soutane
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I love the Creator and I love His most unblemished creation,His mother.No Catholic that I have ever met loves the created more than the Creator.If you can’t differentiate between degrees of love then I feel for you.We can.Do you love your wife or husband?Does this love detract in Any way from your love of God?
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Soutane
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Whether you intended harm or not the comment was hurtful.If you dio not have the decency or courage to apologise I will still forgive you.
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reteeks21
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Calm down. I am quite capable of distinguishing between the two. I asked a question, that’ all. Next time I will add an asterisk for you to better explain the question.
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Soutane
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No need to explain friend your agenda is quite apparent.
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reteeks21
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I explained myself. I intended no harm. It was a sincere question. I will let you be the big one this time. If I had done it maliciously I would have apologized, but I didn’t. Next time you insult (or if I interpret it that way) protestants I will demand the same of you.
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Soutane
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Most gracious of you to "let"me be the “big one” “this time”.When I offend soneone I rarely do it maliciously,usually accidentally,but I always apologise as it’s considered to be good manners.
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cascherman
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With a full understanding of Mary’s relation to Jesus, Jesus’ relation to us, and Mary’s relation to us you would probably feel a whole lot better.
Why is it most homes have more images of kids, husbands and families than images of a triumphant Jesus?
Newadvent.org has a considerable amount of info about Mary, not to mention other threads on this forum.
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reteeks21
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Agenda? And what might that be?
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Ghoti
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It seems to me to be a matter of interpretation.
Do not conflate physical vulnerability with “weakness”. Throughout His adult life Jesus was most likely a physically strong man – He was a builder by trade, after all. And carried a heavy cross to His own execution, after a prolonged period of torture. But that’s beside the point.
Mary is the Theotokos – the God-bearer. She was the vessel of the Incarnation – through her, physically, Jesus was brought into the world.
The empty Cross is also a “God-bearer”, in that it bore the Body of our Saviour, It was the vessel of the Sacrifice – through it, physically, Jesus was taken from our world.
The Cross with the Corpus – the dying or dead Son of Man – the foolishness of the Gentiles, the stumbling block of the Jews – is the Sacrifice itself. It was not Jesus’ birth or Resurrection that expiates our sins, but His death on the Cross. At the point of death, Jesus said, “It is accomplished.” When He died, the earth shook, the graves were opened, the dead arose and appeared to many, and the veil of the temple was rent asunder.
The Man on the Cross is no weak lily-liver. I’ve seen lots of images of the living Jesus looking “meek and mild”, holding lambs, or even playing football (!). But there is no weakness in the image of the Man Who suffered a death He did not deserve – willingly – to buy off the punishments that we all do deserve. The Crucifix is the ultimate symbol of the love of God for His children – that He would voluntarily suffer torture and execution at the hands of those very children. “No greater love…” said He.
Where is the weakness here?
As mentioned above, Jesus was indeed physically weak and vulnerable as a baby. So were we all. Because the point was that Jesus was fully human. He was hungry and thirsty. He was cold. He cried, and Mary comforted Him. I don’t think that just because He was God Incarnate, that somehow Mary and Joseph got out of diaper duty.
And yet it was at that time that a strange star appeared in the heavens, attracting the attention of Jewish shepherds and Gentile astrologers to the birth of the King. And it was at that time that choirs of the Heavenly Host appeared to say, “Glory to God in the highest!” The Word had become flesh, and now dwelt among us.
Where is the weakness here?
Do not conflate physical vulnerability with “weakness”. Throughout His adult life Jesus was most likely a physically strong man – He was a builder by trade, after all. And carried a heavy cross to His own execution, after a prolonged period of torture. But that’s beside the point.
Mary is the Theotokos – the God-bearer. She was the vessel of the Incarnation – through her, physically, Jesus was brought into the world.
The empty Cross is also a “God-bearer”, in that it bore the Body of our Saviour, It was the vessel of the Sacrifice – through it, physically, Jesus was taken from our world.
The Cross with the Corpus – the dying or dead Son of Man – the foolishness of the Gentiles, the stumbling block of the Jews – is the Sacrifice itself. It was not Jesus’ birth or Resurrection that expiates our sins, but His death on the Cross. At the point of death, Jesus said, “It is accomplished.” When He died, the earth shook, the graves were opened, the dead arose and appeared to many, and the veil of the temple was rent asunder.
The Man on the Cross is no weak lily-liver. I’ve seen lots of images of the living Jesus looking “meek and mild”, holding lambs, or even playing football (!). But there is no weakness in the image of the Man Who suffered a death He did not deserve – willingly – to buy off the punishments that we all do deserve. The Crucifix is the ultimate symbol of the love of God for His children – that He would voluntarily suffer torture and execution at the hands of those very children. “No greater love…” said He.
Where is the weakness here?
As mentioned above, Jesus was indeed physically weak and vulnerable as a baby. So were we all. Because the point was that Jesus was fully human. He was hungry and thirsty. He was cold. He cried, and Mary comforted Him. I don’t think that just because He was God Incarnate, that somehow Mary and Joseph got out of diaper duty.
And yet it was at that time that a strange star appeared in the heavens, attracting the attention of Jewish shepherds and Gentile astrologers to the birth of the King. And it was at that time that choirs of the Heavenly Host appeared to say, “Glory to God in the highest!” The Word had become flesh, and now dwelt among us.
Where is the weakness here?
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Reuben_J
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Well, that’s great. I admit I am not that familiar with Protestant worship. I gather with friends from different denoms twice monthly - a kind of ecumenical fellowship consisted of Bible sharings, praise and worship and testimonies. Majority are Protestants. Though the praise and worship is good, I thought something is missing at the end of it. Perhaps it’s just me, but at our Catholic prayer meetings we always close with the Glory Be and the Sign of the Cross. It brings a sense of completeness and conclusion.
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Reuben_J
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BTW, in responding to the OP, I make no apology for my love of Mary. She is Jesus’ Mother. I love Jesus and everything about Him. I see that is completely in order for someone who loves. Maybe you have different definition of how to love? 
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reteeks21
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I agree! I think us Protestants are sorely lacking something by NOT taking part in both of those things. My father-in-law is a pastor and I have tried to get him to incorporate things of that nature into the service, and he has added some things similar.Well, that’s great. I admit I am not that familiar with Protestant worship. I gather with friends from different denoms twice monthly - a kind of ecumenical fellowship consisted of Bible sharings, praise and worship and testimonies. Majority are Protestants. Though the praise and worship is good, I thought something is missing at the end of it. Perhaps it’s just me, but at our Catholic prayer meetings we always close with the Glory Be and the Sign of the Cross. It brings a sense of completeness and conclusion.
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reteeks21
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You’re welcome. Just my way of being gracious.
“This time”? Are we going to go through things like this again?
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happilycatholic
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You’ve got to be kidding me. So lame.
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Soutane
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I’m merely quoting YOU friend.If you have a personal animus to me why even bother to respond to my posts?The purpose of this website is to defend and explain the Catholic faith,not to engage in one-upmanship and baiting.I respectfully withdraw.
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