HHS Mandate and Big Tobacco?

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I posed this question to a friend of mine: “Do you believe the government should be able to force institutions/establishments to pay for things to violate their morals?”

Then my friend replied, “I think that’s a loaded question. Tobacco companies do not believe they are doing anything immoral but it’s proven they are killing people everyday. Should the government force legislation upon them? They have since before you and I were born. And, we are all okay with that.”

I’m not quite sure how to respond. Any suggestions?

God Bless.
 
I posed this question to a friend of mine: “Do you believe the government should be able to force institutions/establishments to pay for things to violate their morals?”

Then my friend replied, “I think that’s a loaded question. Tobacco companies do not believe they are doing anything immoral but it’s proven they are killing people everyday. Should the government force legislation upon them? They have since before you and I were born. And, we are all okay with that.”

I’m not quite sure how to respond. Any suggestions?

God Bless.
Comparing religious institutions to Big Tobacco? I find that insulting. Tobacco companies are not religious institutions. Religion is afforded special protection under the 1st Ammendment because it is different from some random corporation. If your friend does not recognize that difference, then no wonder they have no problem with coercing religious groups to violate their teaching.

Further, comparing the health risks associated with smoking to the alleged health “benefits” of contraception is ridiculous.
 
I posed this question to a friend of mine: “Do you believe the government should be able to force institutions/establishments to pay for things to violate their morals?”

Then my friend replied, “I think that’s a loaded question. Tobacco companies do not believe they are doing anything immoral but it’s proven they are killing people everyday. Should the government force legislation upon them? They have since before you and I were born. And, we are all okay with that.”

I’m not quite sure how to respond. Any suggestions?

God Bless.
Does it VIOLATE a corporations “Morals” to pay for some of the liability that the courts have deemed that their PRODUCT caused?

I’d say… NO, it violates their pocketbook, it violates their corporate earnings, it may even make them ‘fear’ that they may be open to individual lawsuits and increased liability over time; but I don’t see how it actually violates their conscience and makes them do something that they believe is morally wrong.

But I would find it HARD to actually PROVE that the laws VIOLATE big Tobaccos actual moral beliefs. They may even word it in that way…but I really fail to see how they ‘morally’ believe that they are obligated to continue to make those products and pay ZERO liability based on the well documented health risks. I mean: Are they morally obligated to making smoking products? - I don’t think so. Are they morally obligated to buy Tobacco leaves, dry them, roll them into cigarettes, add nicotine, tar, etc. ? - I fail to see how. Are they morally obligated to market them, buy ad space in magazines, radio, sporting events, etc? Doubtful!
Maybe your friend needs to do into detail and explain HOW it violates actual morals. Not simply “they don’t like it, so it is wrong to force them to do something they don’t wanna do” – but illustrate which MORALS it actually violates.

See the difference? - It really is not even the same thing. I think your friend simply thinks that the Church 'doesn’t wanna" and that’s the extent of its argument. Perhaps your friend doesn’t truly understand what Morals and Principles ARE? - Often times it is important to take a step BACK and define things and make sure you start the conversation with the same definitions. Often times disagreements are because each party has different interpretations or understandings of a certain word. Morals are NOT merely 'what I think I should be able to do." or “What I want to do” or even “that which doesn’t hurt anyone that I know of or am aware of”

Secondly… their product is the issue. The Religious organizations that fall under this mandate aren’t peddling a ‘product’ and it is not the ‘product’ that is the issue. No one is alleging that the Church’s teachings cause sterilization or contraception and therefore it SHOULD pay at least a portion of that liablity… as is the case with Tobacco.

So you really can’t compare a college or Church who’s product is NOT the issue and the Tobacco companies who’s direct product IS the source of the problem and what is being legislated.

Thirdly… IF you want to make a more apt analogy between Big Tobacco and the HHS mandate… it would be linking Contraception and Sterilization to Tobacco… not the Church to Tobacco.
Tobacco has been linked to increased instances of cancer - which is bad, and therefore is being legislated and taxed.
Birth Control Pills are on the World Health Organizations list of Carcinogens (aka Cancer causing substances) the same list as Smoking and Asbestos. – THERE’S your Analogy if you want one.
Sterilization doesn’t IMPROVE one’s health… neither does contraception. BOTH damage or inhibit the bodies NATURAL and HEALTHY function.

You can not call mutilating a perfectly functioning reproductive system so that it can no longer function as “healthy”
Similar to how we can’t call inhaling carcinogens into your lungs which cause lung cancer “healthy”
 
I posed this question to a friend of mine: “Do you believe the government should be able to force institutions/establishments to pay for things to violate their morals?”

Then my friend replied, “I think that’s a loaded question. Tobacco companies do not believe they are doing anything immoral but it’s proven they are killing people everyday. Should the government force legislation upon them? They have since before you and I were born. And, we are all okay with that.”

I’m not quite sure how to respond. Any suggestions?

God Bless.
I am informed that when the first studies on the dangers of smoking came out, the boardrooms of Big Tobacco were among the first to clear up.

It would be more correct to say that Big Tobacco believes they are not doing anything illegal and that they have stayed silent on the morality of their actions.
 
Tobacco companies do not believe they are doing anything immoral but it’s proven they are killing people everyday.
This is ridiculous. Tobacco companies make tobacco. It is your choice to kill yourself with them. No use to blame the companies… Besides, they do know the bad effects of smoking, but ignore it for the love of gain.

There were lawsuits won because tobacco companies knew smoking was unhealthy and they did not warn about it. But now they are forced to warn. In fact that’s the one thing you can’t miss in this country. It flows even from the water taps: THAT SMOKING IS BAD FOR YOU. So, you still want to blame the tobacco company? Take some responsibility for your actions, man.

And then to compare this with forcing institutions to pay for what THEY BELIEVE IS WRONG (and it has never been proven that it isn’t wrong). See, tobacco companies knew for a very very long time that smoking was unhealthy. That’s why they lost many lawsuits. They knew it, but they acted AGAINST their conscience, for love of money.
Now it’s the contrary. We would like to act ACCORDING to the dictate of our conscience.
 
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