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ShanPO
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Ok, so in the Holy Trinity, there are only 2 spirits, that of the Father, and the Holy Spirit?
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ynotzap
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The Father is a distinct Divine Person, the Son is a distinct Divine Person, the Holy Spirit is a distinct Divine Person. The Father is Pure Spirit, the Son is Pure Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is Pure Spirit, God is Pure Spirit. The are all united in One Divine Spirit who is God. Jesus in God in His divine nature, and totally human in His human nature, so Jesus is both Pure Spirit as God, and human in His human nature. He is a Divine Person, not a human person. Jesus in His human nature is not a spirit, but like us, flesh and blood, in Christ human nature is united to Divine nature, Jesus became the Word of the Father incarnate, (made flesh and blood) All three Persons are united in Jesus in His divine nature, but not in His human nature, like us, flesh and blood. As I said several times, when you speak of Jesus, your are speaking of Him as God, and your are speaking of Him as human, never, never separated in those two natures the reason Jesus became human was to unite humanity with Divinity, to re-establish the friendship with God, that was lost by Adam and Eve’s sin. They lost the Holy Spirit and His grace, Jesus came to give us this Holy Spirit in order to share God’s divine life, to unite mankind again with all three Divine Persons, God. The Father is not a distinct spirit, but a distinct Divine Person, His Is One with Jesus (Son) and the Holy Spirit, One distinct God, the Son is not a distinct spirit in His divine nature, the Holy Spirit is not a distinct spirit (distinct meaning separated) They all share one Spiritual Nature, God is Pure Spirit
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PNEUMA
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Yes, its not three spirits. Jesus is not a spirit.
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JB_Brother_4446
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God the Son became incarnate in the person of Jesus.
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PNEUMA
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No, there are not three pure spirits. Jesus is not a spirit, he is a human. There is a pure (glorified) human in the trinity.
youtube.com/watch?v=W8jQDunF8wc
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ynotzap
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One can not giver what he doesn’t have, and is entitled to his own opinion even if it is wrong. Sorry that I couldn’t help:shrug: You have a blind spot. Let the Church be your guide.
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ShanPO
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Does Jesus have a spirit?
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PNEUMA
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Yes, it’s the Father ! Jesus does not have the spirit of the world (the devil)
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ShanPO
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Do you get that from the line in the creed that Jesus is “begotten, not made, Consubstantial with the Father?”
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PNEUMA
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That’s “before all ages” we are speaking about now.
Is this why you think Jesus is a spirit ?
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PNEUMA
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The Church knows Jesus is a glorified human in the trinity
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ShanPO
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I never said I thought Jesus is a Spirit, and actually I said numerous times that I believe Jesus is a human being, just like me.
Are you saying Jesus was a spirit, then stopped being a spirit when he was born?
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PNEUMA
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You mean stopped being the word (the word of God) ?
John 1:14 “And the Word became flesh and lived among us”
Why do you keep saying Jesus is a spirit ? even suggesting that I say Jesus is a spirit ?
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kdbueno
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Oral tradition pre-supposes that theological understanding is viable.
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JB_Brother_4446
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God the Son became incarnate in the person of Jesus. True God and True Man.
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ShanPO
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I’m sorry, but I have to stop here. You have made absolutely no sense in anything you’ve said here. You are simply repeating yourself and the answers you give don’t answer the questions you are asked. I will offer prayers for you.
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Mintaka
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The Son is pure spirit. He became incarnate, which is to say that He became Man without stopping being God. He also took on the new name “Jesus Christ.”
By becoming Man without ceasing to be God, and then by dying and rising for us, Jesus Christ glorified His human body and soul, as well as all of human nature.
But He always existed, long before He became Man. He was not a human man who was turned into part of the Trinity. He was always part of the Trinity and then became Man also.
So no, Jesus is not a spirit, in the sense of only being a spirit. (That would be the heresy called “Docetism.”)
Jesus has the Body and Blood and Soul of a man, and He has the Spirit and Divinity of God the Son. You cannot divide Him up into layers like a sandwich, or take Him apart like a Lego car. All these things are part of one Person, Who is Our Lord and God, Jesus Christ, Son of God and Son of Mary.
To say that Jesus’ spirit was not His own spirit, the spirit of the Son, is the idea behind another heresy or three. Usually people came to this conclusion because of Gnostic tendencies to see the flesh as icky, and the idea of God suffering and dying on the Cross as even ickier. There are several versions of Adoptionism, where Jesus was just this guy until the Father adopted or possessed him at the baptism on the River Jordan. These generally also say that the Father’s spirit abandoned Jesus before his death, either in Gethsemane or on the Cross right before dying. A lot of these Adoptionist heresies taught that various other Biblical figures had also been possessed by the Father’s spirit, especially King David (thus “explaining” the Christological psalms). This often led to the logical conclusion that group leaders should declare themselves also to be possessed by the Father’s spirit, and hence that their followers should do their bidding, and disobey both human and Church law.
On the other side of history, it’s also the idea behind Unitarianism and some non-Trinitarian forms of Pentecostalism, as well as the heresy of Patripassianism (the idea that God the Father suffered on the Cross, and that He feels emotions, is fallible, and changes His mind, exactly the same as humans do). The modern idea of a “limited God” with fallibility is usually along these lines, too.
Both kinds of heresy try hard to stuff God into a little box, controlling His powers and His mighty deeds, in order to make humans feel like they understand Him. A person can only do this if he ignores and suppresses parts of the Bible, and particularly parts of the Gospels.
I hope this helps.
By becoming Man without ceasing to be God, and then by dying and rising for us, Jesus Christ glorified His human body and soul, as well as all of human nature.
But He always existed, long before He became Man. He was not a human man who was turned into part of the Trinity. He was always part of the Trinity and then became Man also.
So no, Jesus is not a spirit, in the sense of only being a spirit. (That would be the heresy called “Docetism.”)
Jesus has the Body and Blood and Soul of a man, and He has the Spirit and Divinity of God the Son. You cannot divide Him up into layers like a sandwich, or take Him apart like a Lego car. All these things are part of one Person, Who is Our Lord and God, Jesus Christ, Son of God and Son of Mary.
To say that Jesus’ spirit was not His own spirit, the spirit of the Son, is the idea behind another heresy or three. Usually people came to this conclusion because of Gnostic tendencies to see the flesh as icky, and the idea of God suffering and dying on the Cross as even ickier. There are several versions of Adoptionism, where Jesus was just this guy until the Father adopted or possessed him at the baptism on the River Jordan. These generally also say that the Father’s spirit abandoned Jesus before his death, either in Gethsemane or on the Cross right before dying. A lot of these Adoptionist heresies taught that various other Biblical figures had also been possessed by the Father’s spirit, especially King David (thus “explaining” the Christological psalms). This often led to the logical conclusion that group leaders should declare themselves also to be possessed by the Father’s spirit, and hence that their followers should do their bidding, and disobey both human and Church law.
On the other side of history, it’s also the idea behind Unitarianism and some non-Trinitarian forms of Pentecostalism, as well as the heresy of Patripassianism (the idea that God the Father suffered on the Cross, and that He feels emotions, is fallible, and changes His mind, exactly the same as humans do). The modern idea of a “limited God” with fallibility is usually along these lines, too.
Both kinds of heresy try hard to stuff God into a little box, controlling His powers and His mighty deeds, in order to make humans feel like they understand Him. A person can only do this if he ignores and suppresses parts of the Bible, and particularly parts of the Gospels.
I hope this helps.
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