Holy Days while Traveling

[Marauder]

This is a question I asked on the EWTN site and it was never answered.

When you are in a diocese other then your own home diocese on a Holy Day of Obligation, are you bound by the rules in your home diocese or the diocese you are in?

Last year I was in St. Lucia and they moved the Holy Day to Sunday but my home diocese didn’t. We went to Mass on that day, but didn’t hear the Holy Day liturgy. Since we weren’t still in St. Lucia on Sunday we didn’t hear the Holy Day liturgy Sunday either

 

[dantheman]

My understanding is that you are bound by the rules of your home diocese. You did the right thing by attending Mass on the Holy Day.

 

[Brendan]

You are bound by the rules of your home diocese\Province.

That came up last summer for me. We were going on a family trip to Quebec last summer that included the Feast of the Ascension.

That is not a HDoO in Canada, but it is in the US. My pastor did a little bit of research and determined that we were bound my the disciplines set for our Province.

My pastor did give us a dispensation in case we were unable to find a Mass, but we were able to find one.

 

[space_ghost]

Marauder:

This is a question I asked on the EWTN site and it was never answered.

When you are in a diocese other then your own home diocese on a Holy Day of Obligation, are you bound by the rules in your home diocese or the diocese you are in?

Last year I was in St. Lucia and they moved the Holy Day to Sunday but my home diocese didn’t. We went to Mass on that day, but didn’t hear the Holy Day liturgy. Since we weren’t still in St. Lucia on Sunday we didn’t hear the Holy Day liturgy Sunday either

You know, can’t you just see someone telling St Peter at the Pearly Gates this, and trying to make the case that they crossed the diocean line before midnight and that’s why they missed mass.
You got to quit looking for loopholes… I would think by now your at the stage in your life where attandence at mass is something you look forward to… to answer your question, (and I would verify this with you pastor) if your in Guam, timbuk tu, the south pole and its a holy day of obligation in the Latin rite, and you are a western church (latin rite) member and it’s one of the holy days your church recognizes, and there is a catholic church within reach and you are not sick, nor inclement weather prevents you from attending, or there is no emergency than you have an obligation to fulfill… and i would hope that you would see it as an opportunity to place yourself in the presence of Christ and his body (the people), and be thankful, some wierd government isn’t keeping you from practicing your faith publicly… get a grip, go to church…

 

[PASCENDI]

You are bound to the rules of the diocese you are in. When I was in Rome, Corpus Cristi was a day of obligation even though I was visiting from NY.

Traditionally, the bishop of NY would dispense with the abstinence rule if St. Patrick’s Day fell on a Friday. The bishop of Newark did not. Consequently, we’d have a lot of visitors from New Jersey for Corned Beef and Cabbage.

“Every bishop is pope in his own diocese” is what they used to say. Don’t take it too literally.

Of course you are bound to obey the rules of the diocese you’re visiting in so far as you know what they are.

 

[Marauder]

space ghost:

You got to quit looking for loopholes… I would think by now your at the stage in your life where attandence at mass is something you look forward to… get a grip, go to church…

Sorry but if you look at the post and don’t assume the worst you would see that I wasn’t “looking for loopholes.” We both made an effort to go to Mass during the trip on the Holy Day as it was in our home archdiocese.

Due to the timing of the trip we were never able to attend the actual Holy Day liturgy, because we were in St. Lucia on the Holy Day (based on our home archdiocese) where they didn’t observe it on that day and then when we got home they had already observed the Holy Day.

This wouldn’t be a problem if Bishops didn’t feel a need to move the Holy Days to make it “convienient.” Then the Holy Days would be the same throughout the world.

 

[dream_wanderer]

space ghost:

You got to quit looking for loopholes… I would think by now your at the stage in your life where attandence at mass is something you look forward to…:

Marauder wasn’t looking for loopholes. He did want to attend…he just wasn’t sure when!

dream wanderer

 

[Mike_C]

Yes, I understand that you are bound of the rules of the diocese you are visiting. As St. Ambrose said to St. Augustine if he should fast while in Rome. “In, Rome, do as the Romans do”.

Before Vat. II Catholics visiting Mexico, Spain, PR, or other former Spanish colonies were dispensed from the Friday abstinence. No complaints were heard then.??

 

[DJJG]

I know, that when in a different country, for example a citizen of the USA going to Canada, that you are NOT obligated to attend mass if in country you are in, it is NOT a holy day, even though it is in your country. If it is a holy day in the country you are in, you are not obligated to go either. It is not expected that you would even know of the Holy days of the other country.

You are only obligated to go to mass, if it is a Holy day in both countrys. On the other hand, I still do my best to go even though I don’t have to, I find it a blessing and not a chore or even a sacriface.:yup:

 

[Brendan]

PASCENDI:

Traditionally, the bishop of NY would dispense with the abstinence rule if St. Patrick’s Day fell on a Friday. The bishop of Newark did not. Consequently, we’d have a lot of visitors from New Jersey for Corned Beef and Cabbage.

There is a little bit more to it than that. St. Patrick is (one of) the Patron Saints of the Archdiocese of New York. As such, an Ordinary is permitted to elevate the Feast Day of their Patron to a Solemnity.

A Solemnity is ‘higher’ in the Church calendar than a regular Lenten Friday, so the rules of abstinence do not apply.

That is probably not the case for the Diocese of Newark.